8 in 10 Asian Americans who oppose affirmative action believe it’s racist, survey reveals

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Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

+1 again. They're either misunderstanding or abusing statistics in order to try to make a point that is easily refuted.

It's nice to see those in favor of racial discrimination against Asians are in a panic mode for the SCOTUS decision in June!

No one is in favor of discrimination against Asians, or any race. At least no one here. Strawman, fail, -1.

Some don't agree that the current policy is discriminatory against Asians, and this thread demonstrates those posters seem to be the ones with facts to refute the other position.

+1 Three times now! They just don't get it. Discrimination is bad. And it's not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Not badgering, but insistence that you answer a question that exposes the flaw in your logic.

This is not my fight, my head will not explode if I disagree with the political and flawed SCOTUS. The Roe reversal was the one that did that.

What I know is that colleges are smart and will find ways to build the classes they want while complying with any laws (as they do now), and this will likely result in a reduction of Asian applicants at HYPSM which are the only colleges you care about based on your logic (Princeton has 4X the national percentage of Asian students FYI). Be careful what you wish for. You've already put standardized tests (which I support) on the ropes with your foolishness.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Listen Trumpster, no one here is going to be shocked when SCOTUS does away with affirmative action. We figured out a long time ago they are political hacks. My sincere hope, though, is that colleges find away around their ruling and are still able to reject your white, overly privileged kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Listen Trumpster, no one here is going to be shocked when SCOTUS does away with affirmative action. We figured out a long time ago they are political hacks. My sincere hope, though, is that colleges find away around their ruling and are still able to reject your white, overly privileged kid.

Harvard is like 40% ALDC and you people are rooting for college doing whatever they want to do

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Listen Trumpster, no one here is going to be shocked when SCOTUS does away with affirmative action. We figured out a long time ago they are political hacks. My sincere hope, though, is that colleges find away around their ruling and are still able to reject your white, overly privileged kid.

Harvard is like 40% ALDC and you people are rooting for college doing whatever they want to do

What is ALDC?

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Listen Trumpster, no one here is going to be shocked when SCOTUS does away with affirmative action. We figured out a long time ago they are political hacks. My sincere hope, though, is that colleges find away around their ruling and are still able to reject your white, overly privileged kid.

Harvard is like 40% ALDC and you people are rooting for college doing whatever they w
ant to do

What is ALDC?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/harvard-university-students-smart-iq

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs.

You have absolutely no knowledge that this is occurring.

Actually, it is a well known fact. “Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median; such students are in roughly the most advantaged fifth of families of their own race.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/supreme-court-harvard-affirmative-action-legacy-admissions-equity/671869/

So what? Did you know that the homeownership rate of white high school dropouts is higher than black college graduates? Same with generational wealth. Same with credit scores. You think just a black person graduates college, all the wrongs I’ve been fixed for and entire community?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs.

You have absolutely no knowledge that this is occurring.

Actually, it is a well known fact. “Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median; such students are in roughly the most advantaged fifth of families of their own race.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/supreme-court-harvard-affirmative-action-legacy-admissions-equity/671869/

So what? Did you know that the homeownership rate of white high school dropouts is higher than black college graduates? Same with generational wealth. Same with credit scores. You think just a black person graduates college, all the wrongs I’ve been fixed for and entire community?

Why are poor Asians and Whites sacrificed for those rich Blacks and Hispanics

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs.

You have absolutely no knowledge that this is occurring.

Actually, it is a well known fact. “Seventy-one percent of Black, Latino, and Native American students at Harvard come from college-educated homes with incomes above the national median; such students are in roughly the most advantaged fifth of families of their own race.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/supreme-court-harvard-affirmative-action-legacy-admissions-equity/671869/

So what? Did you know that the homeownership rate of white high school dropouts is higher than black college graduates? Same with generational wealth. Same with credit scores. You think just a black person graduates college, all the wrongs I’ve been fixed for and entire community?

Why are poor Asians and Whites sacrificed for those rich Blacks and Hispanics

What sacrifice are you talking about? Going to BU or BC or even UMass instead of Harvard won't disadvantage them--you need to read Kruger and Dale to understand this. And no, it won't disadvantage blacks or Hispanics (much), either, but if Harvard wants racial diversity on campus they should be allowed to have it.

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and all sorts of tax benefit

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Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Not badgering, but insistence that you answer a question that exposes the flaw in your logic.

This is not my fight, my head will not explode if I disagree with the political and flawed SCOTUS. The Roe reversal was the one that did that.

What I know is that colleges are smart and will find ways to build the classes they want while complying with any laws (as they do now), and this will likely result in a reduction of Asian applicants at HYPSM which are the only colleges you care about based on your logic (Princeton has 4X the national percentage of Asian students FYI). Be careful what you wish for. You've already put standardized tests (which I support) on the ropes with your foolishness.

You are saying universities will still find a way to violate the law of the land and then they will lose billions in federal funding and billions in tax emption status! Money talks.

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Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Not badgering, but insistence that you answer a question that exposes the flaw in your logic.

This is not my fight, my head will not explode if I disagree with the political and flawed SCOTUS. The Roe reversal was the one that did that.

What I know is that colleges are smart and will find ways to build the classes they want while complying with any laws (as they do now), and this will likely result in a reduction of Asian applicants at HYPSM which are the only colleges you care about based on your logic (Princeton has 4X the national percentage of Asian students FYI). Be careful what you wish for. You've already put standardized tests (which I support) on the ropes with your foolishness.

You are saying universities will still find a way to violate the law of the land and then they will lose billions in federal funding and billions in tax emption status! Money talks.

NP--They will lose nothing, because they won't be breaking the law.

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Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

Assuming you are a new poster who didn't read the entire exchange, please answer:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

I'm and Asian and I don't want any hard working White kids discriminated and treated unfairly in favor of Asians.

I didn't ask what you wanted. I asked: Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

Can you answer, and please include a yes or no?

DP. How many times have you posted your stupid question? Can you answer your own damn question? With proof?

Yes I can answer the question. Of course. And so can you.

Yes, under current policies any race benefits at any college where they are under-represented. At every college which has anything other than open admissions. Which means it is NOT, by design, prejudiced against any one race.

The only colleges where Asians (and whites) are under represented are historically black colleges. In 2016, the total college enrollment rate was higher for Asian young adults (58 percent) than for young adults who were of Two or more races (42 percent), White (42 percent), Hispanic (39 percent), Black (36 percent), Pacific Islander (21 percent), and American Indian/Alaska Native (19 percent).”

Your first sentence is not proved by what follows, and is in fact is non-sequitur. It is also completely false.

Here are a few examples proving you are wrong:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/hamilton-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/bates-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/middlebury-college/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html

Those are all highly selective colleges where Asians are URMs. I could keep going but the point is made, yours is proved false.

even two of these are like about 7% and 7+% lol
that's not under represented. The good LACs have plenty Asians.

It's not a question of whether colleges have Asians or not - it is whether they benefit from colleges where they are not ORM. Only Middlebury from that list is equal to the USA in enrolled students. Which means they are not discriminated against at a minimum, and likely benefit from the policy because they are not ORM.

And I built that list at random, and those were the first four I searched.

Again, you fail.

“You fail?” Persistent badgering about your question? You sure are taking this personally. It’s amusing. I can’t wait till SCOTUS hands down their decision. Your head will likely explode.

Not badgering, but insistence that you answer a question that exposes the flaw in your logic.

This is not my fight, my head will not explode if I disagree with the political and flawed SCOTUS. The Roe reversal was the one that did that.

What I know is that colleges are smart and will find ways to build the classes they want while complying with any laws (as they do now), and this will likely result in a reduction of Asian applicants at HYPSM which are the only colleges you care about based on your logic (Princeton has 4X the national percentage of Asian students FYI). Be careful what you wish for. You've already put standardized tests (which I support) on the ropes with your foolishness.

You are saying universities will still find a way to violate the law of the land and then they will lose billions in federal funding and billions in tax emption status! Money talks.

What part of "while complying with any laws" was unclear?

Do you even bother to read what you respond to?