Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

It will eventually fill up. It will just take a little bit of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

You presume that people are going downtown. Most using the Lower Potomac Parkway are going to Virginia or Navy Yard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

You presume that people are going downtown. Most using the Lower Potomac Parkway are going to Virginia or Navy Yard.

+1

Exactly this. What's missing in this thread is the understanding that Beach Drive is part of a much larger regional transportation network that's spread across the District and two states. Beach Drive is not simply a commuter artery between downtown DC and lower Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

I own a car and I take bus/Metro when I can because I'd rather not deal with traffic/parking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.

Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.

Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?

There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.

Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?

Bicycles do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

Washington D.C. is smaller than El Paso. We have plenty of room for cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?

It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.

People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.

Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.

Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.

People with cars won't take the bus

This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.

Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.

We are. That's what dedicated bus lanes are and we should build more of them, and build them better so MPD stops parking in them. Driver's whine and moan about that too.