The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'm also confused by Greg's illness being completely gone. When I was watching S2 I thought for a few minutes that maybe he had died and she was just imagining him being there (like a Sixth Sense type of twist). So I was trying to pay attention to if he was interacting with other people besides Tanya.

Now I think the con artist is probably more likely.

In S1, wasn't his cancer pretty advanced and he was on a final trip with his buddies? Tanya would have/should have set up his pre-nup in such a way that he could quit his job and be her travel companion.

She's got too much money to put up with his bs. She could be the sugar mama to that hot young guy who approached her in S1.

I do wonder though if the twist will be that he's investigating her assistant and was planning some kind of set-up, that's why he's going back to Colorado and was dismayed to see the assistant in Italy.

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Anonymous wrote:^ she’s wildly turned on by him. After he swam away she had that smile and sexual tension, just like when he was changing in her room.

Make no mistake the aloha, bad boy is getting her hot and she becomes more critical and frustrated by her nice beta husband.

Harper needs push-back. She wants someone to stand up to her, create the sexual tension. She's not fulfilled by her nice husband. She's bored.

The bad boy is pushing her buttons and raising her libido. She literally looks like she was going to leave the breakfast table and rub one out after watching the other couple--but then they joined her on the walk back.

I don't agree that Ethan is "nice," which doesn't mean he's awful, but he's done some dickish things. He avoided and then refused to have sex with her. He discussed their sex life by kind of putting her down - "she doesn't like morning sex."

I'm wondering if the twist isn't that what you see is what you get with Cameron - he's a rich, insanely good looking guy that's really in love with his wife, is easygoing, and just wants to hang out. I'm not sure even I believe that, but it's a theory.

I'm bored of Tanya and Greg, so that's cutting down on the interest for me. Although I do wonder if she brought assistant Portia along because she doesn't fully trust Greg.

I haven't really decided what I think of the Michael Imperioli/F Murray Abraham/The Kid storyline. I think it's more interesting as an intergenerational storyline of trying to break a destructive pattern than anything else.

Overall, I thought episode one was more interesting thank this one, but I'm still watching.

The storyline here is that the misogyny keeps moving through the generations, it just adapts with the time.

1. Nonna had his “pecadilloes” but is proud that he never got caught. That makes his a good husband, despite being a lecher in public and hitting on every woman he meets.

2. Dominic engages in his most selfish sexual urges, but makes a big dramatic production of public guilt and blaming “sex addiction.” He’s a quintessential narcissist. His wife + daughter are livid at him, while Nonna and Albie seem to overlook it. He’s either caught in a MeToo situation, has been accused of rape, or he had sex with one his daughter’s friends.

3. Albie is the interesting one. After E2, I’m getting incel vibes from him toward women based on what he said about “nice guys” on his date. When Nonna started talking about the rape in Greek mythology, Albie visibly tensed up. Maybe he’s going to be a Brock Turner type of character (Stanford, rich family, seemingly attractive…)

The season is about sex; but that doesn’t mean it has to be about consent. Or uneven power dynamics.

I just think this is a very insightful comment about these three generations of men and want more people to see it. I absolutely think this is the angle they are going with this storyline, and now I feel especially attuned to how the men judge each other's relationships with women, the way Dominic is apologizing for and embarrassed by his dad's behavior but in a mildly amuse, 'he's just an old man' way, the way his dad judges him but not for philandering only getting caught, and how Albie says he disapproves of both of them but also seems reluctant to voice that opinion directly to them (he mostly just tells the assistant on their date).

I think not only are they showing how misogyny changes in each generation (but remains misogyny) but also how these men never really hold each other accountable for their behavior even as they each wants credit for appearing to do so. They say things that sound like empathy for the women the others are harassing or betraying or humiliating, but their actions betray them -- none of them actually wants to change their behavior, but they are eager to use one another as foils to make themselves look better than they are. "At least I'm not as bad as he is" they are saying. They are all bad (well not Albie, yet, but I fear we're headed that direction too).

Hmmmm

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Anonymous wrote:^ she’s wildly turned on by him. After he swam away she had that smile and sexual tension, just like when he was changing in her room.

Make no mistake the aloha, bad boy is getting her hot and she becomes more critical and frustrated by her nice beta husband.

Harper needs push-back. She wants someone to stand up to her, create the sexual tension. She's not fulfilled by her nice husband. She's bored.

The bad boy is pushing her buttons and raising her libido. She literally looks like she was going to leave the breakfast table and rub one out after watching the other couple--but then they joined her on the walk back.

I don't agree that Ethan is "nice," which doesn't mean he's awful, but he's done some dickish things. He avoided and then refused to have sex with her. He discussed their sex life by kind of putting her down - "she doesn't like morning sex."

I'm wondering if the twist isn't that what you see is what you get with Cameron - he's a rich, insanely good looking guy that's really in love with his wife, is easygoing, and just wants to hang out. I'm not sure even I believe that, but it's a theory.

I'm bored of Tanya and Greg, so that's cutting down on the interest for me. Although I do wonder if she brought assistant Portia along because she doesn't fully trust Greg.

I haven't really decided what I think of the Michael Imperioli/F Murray Abraham/The Kid storyline. I think it's more interesting as an intergenerational storyline of trying to break a destructive pattern than anything else.

Overall, I thought episode one was more interesting thank this one, but I'm still watching.

The storyline here is that the misogyny keeps moving through the generations, it just adapts with the time.

1. Nonna had his “pecadilloes” but is proud that he never got caught. That makes his a good husband, despite being a lecher in public and hitting on every woman he meets.

2. Dominic engages in his most selfish sexual urges, but makes a big dramatic production of public guilt and blaming “sex addiction.” He’s a quintessential narcissist. His wife + daughter are livid at him, while Nonna and Albie seem to overlook it. He’s either caught in a MeToo situation, has been accused of rape, or he had sex with one his daughter’s friends.

3. Albie is the interesting one. After E2, I’m getting incel vibes from him toward women based on what he said about “nice guys” on his date. When Nonna started talking about the rape in Greek mythology, Albie visibly tensed up. Maybe he’s going to be a Brock Turner type of character (Stanford, rich family, seemingly attractive…)

The season is about sex; but that doesn’t mean it has to be about consent. Or uneven power dynamics.

I just think this is a very insightful comment about these three generations of men and want more people to see it. I absolutely think this is the angle they are going with this storyline, and now I feel especially attuned to how the men judge each other's relationships with women, the way Dominic is apologizing for and embarrassed by his dad's behavior but in a mildly amuse, 'he's just an old man' way, the way his dad judges him but not for philandering only getting caught, and how Albie says he disapproves of both of them but also seems reluctant to voice that opinion directly to them (he mostly just tells the assistant on their date).

I think not only are they showing how misogyny changes in each generation (but remains misogyny) but also how these men never really hold each other accountable for their behavior even as they each wants credit for appearing to do so. They say things that sound like empathy for the women the others are harassing or betraying or humiliating, but their actions betray them -- none of them actually wants to change their behavior, but they are eager to use one another as foils to make themselves look better than they are. "At least I'm not as bad as he is" they are saying. They are all bad (well not Albie, yet, but I fear we're headed that direction too).

+1 - although I am viewing it more from the lens of then women of the subject generations even though the only one onscreen is Portia. The deceased grandmother, Abby, would have "never" missed a family trip no matter how mad she was, according to Bert. Bert basically admits he as a philanderer and she put up with it, but of course doesn't acknowledge that it's likely she didn't have a lot of choices in her generation. Then you get to Dominic. His wife and daughter are mad as heck. And then Albie. Portia asks him if he's not also mad at his dad, and he just shrugs. He knows he should be better, and knows that's expected of him, but he can't quite get there.

Switching gears - aren't there more, or at least one more, character(s) that haven't been introduced? Tom Hollander is in this show at some point.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't they say that the body was a guest? And that there were other guests dead? That would exclude the locals. I'll have to go back and re-watch that part because I thought the hotel staff was telling the manager that there was more than one person, right?

Well they’re “guests” now and also I’m not sure the beach guy would know right away.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Greg was talking to his adult daughter on the phone. Or maybe a sister. Tanya will think he is cheating on her and will kill him. He'll turn out to be the dead body in the sea.

However, the twist will be that he wasn't cheating, his cancer came back and he was keeping it from her to give her one last magical vacation.

But she won't find out until after he's already dead.

I like this - but also he's being such a d**k to her on this trip. I guess it could be his own sort of nasty way of doing one last magical vacation.

I think she probably just gets on his nerves big time and he is occasionally a d**ck about it. How could she not? She is such a loon. But he also understands why she is a loon - crazy parents, crazy upbringing, crazy amount of money that isolates her from regular people and normal behavior. So he goes back and forth on her. Sometimes charmed, sometimes repulsed.

Yeah! That certainly tracks.

I hope they don't have her kill him, then. That doesn't feel very WL if they do. I feel like as bad as Tanya is, we're also supposed to be rooting for her - and to have her murder the husband who's trying to give her a last hurrah before he dies doesn't feel in that spirit. Unless he asks her to do it.

I don’t see anything that makes me think Greg is a great guy who wants to spare his wife the pain of dealing with his illness. More likely he has always been a con artist. He made up the illness and now is “better.” I think they are leading us to think he has another lover/spouse but it’s going to be a child or someone else he loves but not romantically. But still it’s about doing something to Tanya. Why was he so upset that Portia was there? He wanted her alone for some reason. And now he’s leaving; I’m sure that was previously planned for whatever reason.

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Anonymous wrote:^ she’s wildly turned on by him. After he swam away she had that smile and sexual tension, just like when he was changing in her room.

Make no mistake the aloha, bad boy is getting her hot and she becomes more critical and frustrated by her nice beta husband.

Harper needs push-back. She wants someone to stand up to her, create the sexual tension. She's not fulfilled by her nice husband. She's bored.

The bad boy is pushing her buttons and raising her libido. She literally looks like she was going to leave the breakfast table and rub one out after watching the other couple--but then they joined her on the walk back.

I don't agree that Ethan is "nice," which doesn't mean he's awful, but he's done some dickish things. He avoided and then refused to have sex with her. He discussed their sex life by kind of putting her down - "she doesn't like morning sex."

I'm wondering if the twist isn't that what you see is what you get with Cameron - he's a rich, insanely good looking guy that's really in love with his wife, is easygoing, and just wants to hang out. I'm not sure even I believe that, but it's a theory.

I'm bored of Tanya and Greg, so that's cutting down on the interest for me. Although I do wonder if she brought assistant Portia along because she doesn't fully trust Greg.

I haven't really decided what I think of the Michael Imperioli/F Murray Abraham/The Kid storyline. I think it's more interesting as an intergenerational storyline of trying to break a destructive pattern than anything else.

Overall, I thought episode one was more interesting thank this one, but I'm still watching.

The storyline here is that the misogyny keeps moving through the generations, it just adapts with the time.

1. Nonna had his “pecadilloes” but is proud that he never got caught. That makes his a good husband, despite being a lecher in public and hitting on every woman he meets.

2. Dominic engages in his most selfish sexual urges, but makes a big dramatic production of public guilt and blaming “sex addiction.” He’s a quintessential narcissist. His wife + daughter are livid at him, while Nonna and Albie seem to overlook it. He’s either caught in a MeToo situation, has been accused of rape, or he had sex with one his daughter’s friends.

3. Albie is the interesting one. After E2, I’m getting incel vibes from him toward women based on what he said about “nice guys” on his date. When Nonna started talking about the rape in Greek mythology, Albie visibly tensed up. Maybe he’s going to be a Brock Turner type of character (Stanford, rich family, seemingly attractive…)

The season is about sex; but that doesn’t mean it has to be about consent. Or uneven power dynamics.

I just think this is a very insightful comment about these three generations of men and want more people to see it. I absolutely think this is the angle they are going with this storyline, and now I feel especially attuned to how the men judge each other's relationships with women, the way Dominic is apologizing for and embarrassed by his dad's behavior but in a mildly amuse, 'he's just an old man' way, the way his dad judges him but not for philandering only getting caught, and how Albie says he disapproves of both of them but also seems reluctant to voice that opinion directly to them (he mostly just tells the assistant on their date).

I think not only are they showing how misogyny changes in each generation (but remains misogyny) but also how these men never really hold each other accountable for their behavior even as they each wants credit for appearing to do so. They say things that sound like empathy for the women the others are harassing or betraying or humiliating, but their actions betray them -- none of them actually wants to change their behavior, but they are eager to use one another as foils to make themselves look better than they are. "At least I'm not as bad as he is" they are saying. They are all bad (well not Albie, yet, but I fear we're headed that direction too).

+1 - although I am viewing it more from the lens of then women of the subject generations even though the only one onscreen is Portia. The deceased grandmother, Abby, would have "never" missed a family trip no matter how mad she was, according to Bert. Bert basically admits he as a philanderer and she put up with it, but of course doesn't acknowledge that it's likely she didn't have a lot of choices in her generation. Then you get to Dominic. His wife and daughter are mad as heck. And then Albie. Portia asks him if he's not also mad at his dad, and he just shrugs. He knows he should be better, and knows that's expected of him, but he can't quite get there.

Switching gears - aren't there more, or at least one more, character(s) that haven't been introduced? Tom Hollander is in this show at some point.

PP - I think I mixed up the grandmother with Dominic's wife - who is Abby? I can't keep all these people straight.

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Anonymous wrote:If nothing else this season is total travel porn and making me want to visit Sicily

You should! FYi all the beach scenes so far were shot in Cefalu, not Taormina. The beach in Taormina is very pebbly and the ocean is rougher there.

Cefalu and Taormina are IMO the prettiest places in Sicily. Spent three years living there and miss it every day!

How is Noto?

Note is a cute little town. It’s in Siracusa in the south, another really pretty place. The town itself is super old and has a lot of baroque architecture from I think the 17th or 18th century. It has a beautiful cathedral in the main Square, and a bunch of really pretty churches and Palazzo’s. It’s a very typical small Sicilian town with a nice pedestrian walk, some cute green space parks, lots of little cafés and some shopping, though it’s mostly either artwork or souvenir shops. Noto is probably most famous for a flower festival they hold once a year where they make a carpet of flowers and interesting designs. Very similar to what is done in Brussels. I think it’s good for a day trip, you can even hit most of it in half a day. It’s about an hour drive from Catania, the main city in tbt east of Sicily.

It’s also pretty close, within about a 20 minute drive, of Ortigia, which is another super beautiful place. Probably my most favorite spot in southeast Sicily. Ortigia is a little island connected to Siracusa that has beautiful ocean surrounding it. You can park in the center and walk from one end to another in about half an hour. It’s just stunning, the typical churches and cathedrals, but lots of pretty alleyways of shops and tiny restaurants. It also has lots of little hole in the wall places that run along the sea wall where are you sit at a tiny plastic table and fisherman bring fresh catches directly from the water into the restaurant.

Sicily is so different from mainland Italy, in good and bad ways. I think season 2 may have a good impact on tourism, which they desperately need. The island gets its share of tourists, but I’m always surprised that it’s not more of a top destination because it’s so easy to get around and see so much in a short time, it has amazing food and wine for super cheap (entire pizza = €5, nice DOCG bottle of wine = €6). And it’s one of those places that appeals to a lot of people because it has great beaches, cities for shopping, loads of historical sites, and between the water activities and volcano, lots of adventure style attractions, all in the same spot. Sicily has so much ancient Greek history in it; watching season two of the show with its heavy handed dose of Greek mythology is taking me back!

Would you live in Noto or Ortigia or are they just for visiting?

Why did you leave?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't they say that the body was a guest? And that there were other guests dead? That would exclude the locals. I'll have to go back and re-watch that part because I thought the hotel staff was telling the manager that there was more than one person, right?

Well they’re “guests” now and also I’m not sure the beach guy would know right away.

If it's the two local girls this would also partially explain why Valentina's response is so incredibly callous ("oh it happened in the ocean so not really at the hotel, right?") because she doesn't actually view them as guests.

Side note: it's funny to me how this hotel is some super high end luxury venue but the walls are INCREDIBLY THIN. Like a major plot point is how often the guests can hear their neighbors getting it on.

This is classic European travel, of course. $2000 euro a night but you can hear the German businessman next door watching TV until 3am. All the buildings are ancient.

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Anonymous wrote:If nothing else this season is total travel porn and making me want to visit Sicily

You should! FYi all the beach scenes so far were shot in Cefalu, not Taormina. The beach in Taormina is very pebbly and the ocean is rougher there.

Cefalu and Taormina are IMO the prettiest places in Sicily. Spent three years living there and miss it every day!

How is Noto?

Note is a cute little town. It’s in Siracusa in the south, another really pretty place. The town itself is super old and has a lot of baroque architecture from I think the 17th or 18th century. It has a beautiful cathedral in the main Square, and a bunch of really pretty churches and Palazzo’s. It’s a very typical small Sicilian town with a nice pedestrian walk, some cute green space parks, lots of little cafés and some shopping, though it’s mostly either artwork or souvenir shops. Noto is probably most famous for a flower festival they hold once a year where they make a carpet of flowers and interesting designs. Very similar to what is done in Brussels. I think it’s good for a day trip, you can even hit most of it in half a day. It’s about an hour drive from Catania, the main city in tbt east of Sicily.

It’s also pretty close, within about a 20 minute drive, of Ortigia, which is another super beautiful place. Probably my most favorite spot in southeast Sicily. Ortigia is a little island connected to Siracusa that has beautiful ocean surrounding it. You can park in the center and walk from one end to another in about half an hour. It’s just stunning, the typical churches and cathedrals, but lots of pretty alleyways of shops and tiny restaurants. It also has lots of little hole in the wall places that run along the sea wall where are you sit at a tiny plastic table and fisherman bring fresh catches directly from the water into the restaurant.

Sicily is so different from mainland Italy, in good and bad ways. I think season 2 may have a good impact on tourism, which they desperately need. The island gets its share of tourists, but I’m always surprised that it’s not more of a top destination because it’s so easy to get around and see so much in a short time, it has amazing food and wine for super cheap (entire pizza = €5, nice DOCG bottle of wine = €6). And it’s one of those places that appeals to a lot of people because it has great beaches, cities for shopping, loads of historical sites, and between the water activities and volcano, lots of adventure style attractions, all in the same spot. Sicily has so much ancient Greek history in it; watching season two of the show with its heavy handed dose of Greek mythology is taking me back!

Would you live in Noto or Ortigia or are they just for visiting?

Why did you leave?

Both are pretty tiny. I’d live closer to a major city like Catania or Palermo so you can get city life plus beaches and conveniences (grocery stores other than corner mom and pops you find in the little towns). The inconveniences of small town Sicily life likely outweigh the charm of its a long term thing. We lived adjacent to Catania and could get to both the beach and Aldie within a 10 minute drive. It was pretty perfect. We left because my husband‘s contract with the military ran out. We loved our time there Enjoy if you go!

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Since we're putting out random theories, I'll add this one: I think the male pianist/entertainer kills Mia. A guest tells Valentina how amazing Mia was, and they fire the guy and hire her instead, and he kills her (accidentally) out of anger.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I feel like something bad is going to happen between those 2.

[Anonymous]

The wife and daughter of the cheater dad probably shows up and sees the registrar with the hooker name in Grandpas room and her husbands room and that does it.

[Anonymous]

I thought it was a dead male body in swimming trunks that was the fuzzy floating dead body image.

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Anonymous wrote:So far I don’t like it as much as season 1. As stated in the beginning, this session is more about sex and less about privilege. Personally I liked the whole privilege angle of session 1. Plus, while I love Italy, Italian hotels are not that great.[/quote]

Shut your whore mouth.

The five stars are great.

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Anonymous wrote:DH kept laughing throughout the show. Why?

Aubrey Plaza’s character is me, apparently. (With several extra zeroes of net worth.)

Your husband thinks you’re similar to the Aubrey Plaza character? Oh man.

Yeah. That is not a compliment. She is so uptight and plain rude, extremely rude.

Audrey's character=zero fun. She also has zero sex drive with her husband.

If I were going on a fun vacation, she's the last one in that group I'd want to spend it with. She sucks the life out of the party.

+1

Typical of women in this geographical area.