Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 I read that nauseating NY piece, too.

I hate what this area has become. Students aspiring to be MBB consultants instead of nonprofit workers. FinTech instead of medicine. BigLaw instead of ADAs or DoJ. I’m not even that old but I feel angry and resentful, missing the more innocent days of the nineties.

What really gets me is that they aren’t going to medical school, engineering, urban planning, PhD biology programs … I don’t care so much that they aren’t going to “do gooder” jobs, but they aren’t doing *anything* enriching to themselves (other than $$) or society. What a waste of brainpower and the privilege of a top college education.

These days, many more kids who choose those schools have been pushed and trained to get into those schools for their own sake and prestige; in other words they have been trained to grab the next brass ring because they are entitled to it and it makes THEM look better, not because it enables them to do something useful for the world. After all, you can do the latter from ANYWHERE often for less money and while having more fun. Someone is teaching the likes of OP that McKinsey is some prize job because their morals and priorities and even their entire world view is completely off.

+1

[Anonymous]

They are awesome at running powerpoint/spreadsheet companies but could probably not find their way out of a paper bag, god forbid, actually run a company in the real world. Every time we hire them, its $1M to tell us the TAM is in the billions- do it! but we realize .000000001% of that.
Honestly I love their powerpoints so I am not hating on them, but they live in different world than people actually running companies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On level with Private Equity firms

+1.

You only hate PE if you are not one of their lovies.
If you are, you love PE firms.
Be super important to a company they acquire and see what I mean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The overall list is as follows:

Ivy League:
1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Brown University
7. Cornell University
8. Columbia University

Flagships:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. University of Michigan
3. University of Virginia
4. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
5. University of Texas at Austin
6. Georgia Institute of Technology
7. University of Florida
8. University of Maryland, College Park

Non-Ivy Privates:
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. University of Chicago
4. Johns Hopkins University
5. Duke University
6. Northwestern University
7. Vanderbilt University
8. Washington University in St. Louis
9. University of Notre Dame
10. Emory University
11. Georgetown University
12. University of Southern California
13. Wake Forest University
14. Boston College
15. Boston University
16. Brigham Young University
17. Howard University
18. Williams College
19. Amherst College
20. One page for all of the Seven Sisters

So Georgetown AND BC is there but Notre Dame isn't?

Why the hell are BYU and Howard on here... even BU and Wake are questionable

BYU and Howard are very good schools. Shouldn't top companies be intentionally casting a wide net to get great employees? They no longer want to focus so much on places like HYPS. This expansion of new grad recruiting is happening in banking and big tech too.

Howard? OMG that may have been my biggest LMFOA this week. Look, people. let's be real. This list is obnoxious and stupid - having a category for IVY? A sign you should not apply. But when you put schools that are midrange at best because they appeal to some crazy lib group, you are a laughingstock. Hmm, MIT or Howard guy- cant decide... (and other stories that never happened)

When will this BS stop?

[Anonymous]

This is not a church.
We don't need pathetic ethics preaching.
Save it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

For some more data, here are those target schools sorted by median starting salary of alumni (click on the school on US News and scroll down to "Median starting salary of alumni").

1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. Princeton University
4. Georgia Institute of Technology
5. Harvard University
6. Duke University
7. University of Pennsylvania
8. Cornell University
9. Columbia University
10. University of California, Berkeley
11. Dartmouth College
12. Yale University
13. University of Notre Dame
14. University of Michigan
15. Vanderbilt University
16. Brown University
17. Washington University in St. Louis
18. University of Virginia
19. Northwestern University
20. Emory University
21. University of Chicago
22. Georgetown University
23. University of Texas at Austin
24. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

But how much does the school help with starting salary if you accept mostly rich people as students? Being rich with connections to other rich people can’t be overlooked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

For some more data, here are those target schools sorted by median starting salary of alumni (click on the school on US News and scroll down to "Median starting salary of alumni").

1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. Princeton University
4. Georgia Institute of Technology
5. Harvard University
6. Duke University
7. University of Pennsylvania
8. Cornell University
9. Columbia University
10. University of California, Berkeley
11. Dartmouth College
12. Yale University
13. University of Notre Dame
14. University of Michigan
15. Vanderbilt University
16. Brown University
17. Washington University in St. Louis
18. Northeastern
19. University of Virginia
20. Northwestern University
21. Emory University
22. University of Chicago
23. Georgetown University
24. University of Texas at Austin
25. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Revised with the missing school
Northeastern is higher than schools like UVA, Emory, Georgetown, Northwestern, etc..
Overall ranking of Northeastern seems to be very underrated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares, they are a morally bankrupt company and ought to be prosecuted for their role in the opioid epidemic.

+1
I hate that so many kids seem to want to work for companies like this. Bain too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares, they are a morally bankrupt company and ought to be prosecuted for their role in the opioid epidemic.

+1
I hate that so many kids seem to want to work for companies like this. Bain too.

Nobody cares about your feeling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The overall list is as follows:

Ivy League:
1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Brown University
7. Cornell University
8. Columbia University

Flagships:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. University of Michigan
3. University of Virginia
4. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
5. University of Texas at Austin
6. Georgia Institute of Technology
7. University of Florida
8. University of Maryland, College Park

Non-Ivy Privates:
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. University of Chicago
4. Johns Hopkins University
5. Duke University
6. Northwestern University
7. Vanderbilt University
8. Washington University in St. Louis
9. University of Notre Dame
10. Emory University
11. Georgetown University
12. University of Southern California
13. Wake Forest University
14. Boston College
15. Boston University
16. Brigham Young University
17. Howard University
18. Williams College
19. Amherst College
20. One page for all of the Seven Sisters

So Georgetown AND BC is there but Notre Dame isn't?

Why the hell are BYU and Howard on here... even BU and Wake are questionable

BYU and Howard are very good schools. Shouldn't top companies be intentionally casting a wide net to get great employees? They no longer want to focus so much on places like HYPS. This expansion of new grad recruiting is happening in banking and big tech too.

Howard? OMG that may have been my biggest LMFOA this week. Look, people. let's be real. This list is obnoxious and stupid - having a category for IVY? A sign you should not apply. But when you put schools that are midrange at best because they appeal to some crazy lib group, you are a laughingstock. Hmm, MIT or Howard guy- cant decide... (and other stories that never happened)

When will this BS stop?

Interestingly, Howard & BYU are tied for 89th on USWNR. Neither one belongs on McKinsey’s list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are awesome at running powerpoint/spreadsheet companies but could probably not find their way out of a paper bag, god forbid, actually run a company in the real world. Every time we hire them, its $1M to tell us the TAM is in the billions- do it! but we realize .000000001% of that.
Honestly I love their powerpoints so I am not hating on them, but they live in different world than people actually running companies.

I am not defending McKinsey...however:

"Many executives have consulting backgrounds themselves. McKinsey alone counts 70 Fortune 500 CEOs among its alumni, including the current CEOs or COOs at Google, Facebook, and Morgan Stanley. Indeed, a greater share of McKinsey employees become CEOs than any other company's in the world."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The overall list is as follows:

Ivy League:
1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Brown University
7. Cornell University
8. Columbia University

Flagships:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. University of Michigan
3. University of Virginia
4. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
5. University of Texas at Austin
6. Georgia Institute of Technology
7. University of Florida
8. University of Maryland, College Park

Non-Ivy Privates:
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. University of Chicago
4. Johns Hopkins University
5. Duke University
6. Northwestern University
7. Vanderbilt University
8. Washington University in St. Louis
9. University of Notre Dame
10. Emory University
11. Georgetown University
12. University of Southern California
13. Wake Forest University
14. Boston College
15. Boston University
16. Brigham Young University
17. Howard University
18. Williams College
19. Amherst College
20. One page for all of the Seven Sisters

So Georgetown AND BC is there but Notre Dame isn't?

Why the hell are BYU and Howard on here... even BU and Wake are questionable

BYU is going to produce hardworking mature graduates. Howard is going to produce diverse workers. I'm not surprised to see either on the list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The overall list is as follows:

Ivy League:
1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Brown University
7. Cornell University
8. Columbia University

Flagships:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. University of Michigan
3. University of Virginia
4. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
5. University of Texas at Austin
6. Georgia Institute of Technology
7. University of Florida
8. University of Maryland, College Park

Non-Ivy Privates:
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. University of Chicago
4. Johns Hopkins University
5. Duke University
6. Northwestern University
7. Vanderbilt University
8. Washington University in St. Louis
9. University of Notre Dame
10. Emory University
11. Georgetown University
12. University of Southern California
13. Wake Forest University
14. Boston College
15. Boston University
16. Brigham Young University
17. Howard University
18. Williams College
19. Amherst College
20. One page for all of the Seven Sisters

So Georgetown AND BC is there but Notre Dame isn't?

Why the hell are BYU and Howard on here... even BU and Wake are questionable

BYU and Howard are very good schools. Shouldn't top companies be intentionally casting a wide net to get great employees? They no longer want to focus so much on places like HYPS. This expansion of new grad recruiting is happening in banking and big tech too.

Howard? OMG that may have been my biggest LMFOA this week. Look, people. let's be real. This list is obnoxious and stupid - having a category for IVY? A sign you should not apply. But when you put schools that are midrange at best because they appeal to some crazy lib group, you are a laughingstock. Hmm, MIT or Howard guy- cant decide... (and other stories that never happened)

When will this BS stop?

I believe OP created the dumb Ivy category.

McKinsey site doesn't have it.

You know why Howard is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares, they are a morally bankrupt company and ought to be prosecuted for their role in the opioid epidemic.

+1
I hate that so many kids seem to want to work for companies like this. Bain too.

Nobody cares about your feeling

You must, since you read it and bothered to respond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The overall list is as follows:

Ivy League:
1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University
3. Yale University
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Brown University
7. Cornell University
8. Columbia University

Flagships:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. University of Michigan
3. University of Virginia
4. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
5. University of Texas at Austin
6. Georgia Institute of Technology
7. University of Florida
8. University of Maryland, College Park

Non-Ivy Privates:
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Stanford University
3. University of Chicago
4. Johns Hopkins University
5. Duke University
6. Northwestern University
7. Vanderbilt University
8. Washington University in St. Louis
9. University of Notre Dame
10. Emory University
11. Georgetown University
12. University of Southern California
13. Wake Forest University
14. Boston College
15. Boston University
16. Brigham Young University
17. Howard University
18. Williams College
19. Amherst College
20. One page for all of the Seven Sisters

So Georgetown AND BC is there but Notre Dame isn't?

Why the hell are BYU and Howard on here... even BU and Wake are questionable

BYU and Howard are very good schools. Shouldn't top companies be intentionally casting a wide net to get great employees? They no longer want to focus so much on places like HYPS. This expansion of new grad recruiting is happening in banking and big tech too.

Howard? OMG that may have been my biggest LMFOA this week. Look, people. let's be real. This list is obnoxious and stupid - having a category for IVY? A sign you should not apply. But when you put schools that are midrange at best because they appeal to some crazy lib group, you are a laughingstock. Hmm, MIT or Howard guy- cant decide... (and other stories that never happened)

When will this BS stop?

Interestingly, Howard & BYU are tied for 89th on USWNR. Neither one belongs on McKinsey’s list.

You put way too much stock in USNWR and rankings generally.