The Bike Lobby is too powerful in DC...

[Anonymous]

I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

DC traffic fatalities were 40 in 2022 (highest level since 2007) and 25 so far this year, but you cannot conclude they are less than 2018 (36) until the year is over. I can walk and chew gum at the same time and also be concerned about rising crime, homicides, etc. and also be concerned about zero enforcement of crappy drivers that tick me off every single darn day even when they don't kill somebody but it's a near miss. Especially when I'm a parent of kids and see DC drivers be idiots during dropoff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

DC traffic fatalities were 40 in 2022 (highest level since 2007) and 25 so far this year, but you cannot conclude they are less than 2018 (36) until the year is over. I can walk and chew gum at the same time and also be concerned about rising crime, homicides, etc. and also be concerned about zero enforcement of crappy drivers that tick me off every single darn day even when they don't kill somebody but it's a near miss. Especially when I'm a parent of kids and see DC drivers be idiots during dropoff.

DP but I don't actually bike, just don't get the irate people who get more angry at bikers than drivers when drivers are clearly more of an issue, statistically speaking. I also enjoy driving on streets that put bikers in separate lanes as somebody who drives and not bikes, so couldn't care less if DC puts more bike lanes in - good!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

Why don't you care about people being injured?

Also, Vision Zero is meant to address driver safety also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

Why don't you care about people being injured?

Also, Vision Zero is meant to address driver safety also.

They don't care because they live in rich parts of NW while being paranoid about crime happening in other parts of the city where they don't live anyways. So they spend time complaining about bike lanes while folks in the rest of the city that aren't easily metro accessible deal with crappy street design, crappy drivers, and actually deal with the crime. The folks with these anti-bike threads are ridiculous, and again, I don't even bike, I drive! If the city does more to help keep bikers in separate lanes, good! If the city also does more to help reduce speeds on streets and actually hold drivers accountable for crappy driving, good!

[Anonymous]

Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

I mean, I'll care about this when the city actually does something about reciprocity with crappy drivers from M/VA, actually starts traffic enforcement for people who run stop signs and red lights without any enforcement (literally in front of police cars and nothing happens).

Or, actually puts in a crosswalk at one intersection in my neighborhood that we've been advocating for for a decade and it never happens.

You seriously MUST live in rich real estate if this is what is most top of mind to you to complain about. Just admit it. Take a drive to other parts of the city and tell me if bike helmets are really the bigger concern in terms of road safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

DC traffic fatalities were 40 in 2022 (highest level since 2007) and 25 so far this year, but you cannot conclude they are less than 2018 (36) until the year is over. I can walk and chew gum at the same time and also be concerned about rising crime, homicides, etc. and also be concerned about zero enforcement of crappy drivers that tick me off every single darn day even when they don't kill somebody but it's a near miss. Especially when I'm a parent of kids and see DC drivers be idiots during dropoff.

Obviously the current year is 2022, so you are referring to 2021. In 2021 there were 3 cyclist fatalities and 17 pedestrians. The other 20 were drivers (9), motorcyclists (9) and passengers (2). It is interesting you intentionally conflate driver deaths when it suits you.

The 17 pedestrian fatalities were an anomaly. In 2019 there were 10 which is more consistent with the average since 2017 (13).

So far this year, the numbers are consistent with the long-term average: 3 cyclists and 13 pedestrians.

It is clear that you are not concerned about the rising homicide rate because you don’t think it affects you. While you prefer to focus on and want the city to prioritize the issues that do concern you, but which are not a rising issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

DC traffic fatalities were 40 in 2022 (highest level since 2007) and 25 so far this year, but you cannot conclude they are less than 2018 (36) until the year is over. I can walk and chew gum at the same time and also be concerned about rising crime, homicides, etc. and also be concerned about zero enforcement of crappy drivers that tick me off every single darn day even when they don't kill somebody but it's a near miss. Especially when I'm a parent of kids and see DC drivers be idiots during dropoff.

Obviously the current year is 2022, so you are referring to 2021. In 2021 there were 3 cyclist fatalities and 17 pedestrians. The other 20 were drivers (9), motorcyclists (9) and passengers (2). It is interesting you intentionally conflate driver deaths when it suits you.

The 17 pedestrian fatalities were an anomaly. In 2019 there were 10 which is more consistent with the average since 2017 (13).

So far this year, the numbers are consistent with the long-term average: 3 cyclists and 13 pedestrians.

It is clear that you are not concerned about the rising homicide rate because you don’t think it affects you. While you prefer to focus on and want the city to prioritize the issues that do concern you, but which are not a rising issue.

I can be concerned about both. Literally watched a car drive away at 80mph down my alley after a homicide 10 houses down when I was out back. Both the homicide and the car that took off so fast it would have killed somebody were my concern. Also saw the video of a kid knocked head over heels by a car running a stop sign 2 blocks from me (but hey, they lived! so they don't count, right!).

Again, admit you live in rich NW which is why you care so much about the bike lobby. Admit it. You don't deal with the crap drivers OR crime. Both are a concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the title of this thread. "Bike lobby is too strong?"

Uh, how about "road safety lobby is too weak"

If people on bikes are your biggest concern, you must live in the fancy areas of NW, but the city is way bigger than your rich real estate. People driving horrifically is a far bigger issue on my side of town in northeast, I barely encounter a biker on my drive to work and they're the least of my concerns. I do encounter crappy road design and idiot drivers without a care in the world about running stop signs or red lights daily.

If DC does more to keep bikers in separate lanes, what do I care? Are you all those rich NW anti bike people who have nothing better to do than tweet from your fancy $1M+ rowhouses? Ew.

Cyclist fatalities (regardless of cause) since 2018 have been either 2 or 3 every year. Never higher, never lower. Pedestrian fatalities are lower today than 2018.

I’m sorry but the data doesn’t back your feelings and it’s interesting what your priorities are when homicides are 110% higher than a decade ago and rising.

DC traffic fatalities were 40 in 2022 (highest level since 2007) and 25 so far this year, but you cannot conclude they are less than 2018 (36) until the year is over. I can walk and chew gum at the same time and also be concerned about rising crime, homicides, etc. and also be concerned about zero enforcement of crappy drivers that tick me off every single darn day even when they don't kill somebody but it's a near miss. Especially when I'm a parent of kids and see DC drivers be idiots during dropoff.

Obviously the current year is 2022, so you are referring to 2021. In 2021 there were 3 cyclist fatalities and 17 pedestrians. The other 20 were drivers (9), motorcyclists (9) and passengers (2). It is interesting you intentionally conflate driver deaths when it suits you.

The 17 pedestrian fatalities were an anomaly. In 2019 there were 10 which is more consistent with the average since 2017 (13).

So far this year, the numbers are consistent with the long-term average: 3 cyclists and 13 pedestrians.

It is clear that you are not concerned about the rising homicide rate because you don’t think it affects you. While you prefer to focus on and want the city to prioritize the issues that do concern you, but which are not a rising issue.

I can be concerned about both. Literally watched a car drive away at 80mph down my alley after a homicide 10 houses down when I was out back. Both the homicide and the car that took off so fast it would have killed somebody were my concern. Also saw the video of a kid knocked head over heels by a car running a stop sign 2 blocks from me (but hey, they lived! so they don't count, right!).

Again, admit you live in rich NW which is why you care so much about the bike lobby. Admit it. You don't deal with the crap drivers OR crime. Both are a concern.

PS one of the reasons to love road safety design in other parts of the city is it makes it more difficult for the criminals committing homicides to take off at 100mph after committing crimes like gang shootings which happen where I live.. road safety also becomes another way of slowing criminals down, so I see it as part of the homicide control, they're both related My street is getting speed bumps - great news, because we're like the getaway highway for criminals. It's a 2 for 1 deal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

I mean, I'll care about this when the city actually does something about reciprocity with crappy drivers from M/VA, actually starts traffic enforcement for people who run stop signs and red lights without any enforcement (literally in front of police cars and nothing happens).

Or, actually puts in a crosswalk at one intersection in my neighborhood that we've been advocating for for a decade and it never happens.

You seriously MUST live in rich real estate if this is what is most top of mind to you to complain about. Just admit it. Take a drive to other parts of the city and tell me if bike helmets are really the bigger concern in terms of road safety.

Wow. It going to take an awful lot for you to start caring about the safety of small children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

I mean, I'll care about this when the city actually does something about reciprocity with crappy drivers from M/VA, actually starts traffic enforcement for people who run stop signs and red lights without any enforcement (literally in front of police cars and nothing happens).

Or, actually puts in a crosswalk at one intersection in my neighborhood that we've been advocating for for a decade and it never happens.

You seriously MUST live in rich real estate if this is what is most top of mind to you to complain about. Just admit it. Take a drive to other parts of the city and tell me if bike helmets are really the bigger concern in terms of road safety.

Wow. It going to take an awful lot for you to start caring about the safety of small children.

I do. I have two of them myself. It's why I like safe road design, especially when I live in parts of the city that have crappy road design and it takes a decade of advocating for a simple crosswalk whereas those in the rich areas get one fairly quickly. Especially when safe road design also prevents criminals from barreling through neighborhoods shooting guns at a million miles per hour as we've actually dealt with.

You still didn't admit you live in rich NW where you aren't even dealing with much crime and your roads are designed better anyways, and having $$ has meant you got 311 requests more quickly and efficiently. It's ok. Just be honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

I mean, I'll care about this when the city actually does something about reciprocity with crappy drivers from M/VA, actually starts traffic enforcement for people who run stop signs and red lights without any enforcement (literally in front of police cars and nothing happens).

Or, actually puts in a crosswalk at one intersection in my neighborhood that we've been advocating for for a decade and it never happens.

You seriously MUST live in rich real estate if this is what is most top of mind to you to complain about. Just admit it. Take a drive to other parts of the city and tell me if bike helmets are really the bigger concern in terms of road safety.

Wow. It going to take an awful lot for you to start caring about the safety of small children.

I do. I have two of them myself. It's why I like safe road design, especially when I live in parts of the city that have crappy road design and it takes a decade of advocating for a simple crosswalk whereas those in the rich areas get one fairly quickly. Especially when safe road design also prevents criminals from barreling through neighborhoods shooting guns at a million miles per hour as we've actually dealt with.

You still didn't admit you live in rich NW where you aren't even dealing with much crime and your roads are designed better anyways, and having $$ has meant you got 311 requests more quickly and efficiently. It's ok. Just be honest.

You make a lot of weird assumptions. Also, don't you have anything better to do? It sounds like you spend your entire day on this stupid web site just waiting to jump down the throat of anyone who isn't into bicycles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still don't understand why bicyclists aren't required to wear helmets, or why they're allowed to put small children on bikes without helmets. If those kids were in cars, they'd be required to wear seat belts or be in car seats...

I mean, I'll care about this when the city actually does something about reciprocity with crappy drivers from M/VA, actually starts traffic enforcement for people who run stop signs and red lights without any enforcement (literally in front of police cars and nothing happens).

Or, actually puts in a crosswalk at one intersection in my neighborhood that we've been advocating for for a decade and it never happens.

You seriously MUST live in rich real estate if this is what is most top of mind to you to complain about. Just admit it. Take a drive to other parts of the city and tell me if bike helmets are really the bigger concern in terms of road safety.

Wow. It going to take an awful lot for you to start caring about the safety of small children.

I do. I have two of them myself. It's why I like safe road design, especially when I live in parts of the city that have crappy road design and it takes a decade of advocating for a simple crosswalk whereas those in the rich areas get one fairly quickly. Especially when safe road design also prevents criminals from barreling through neighborhoods shooting guns at a million miles per hour as we've actually dealt with.

You still didn't admit you live in rich NW where you aren't even dealing with much crime and your roads are designed better anyways, and having $$ has meant you got 311 requests more quickly and efficiently. It's ok. Just be honest.

You make a lot of weird assumptions. Also, don't you have anything better to do? It sounds like you spend your entire day on this stupid web site just waiting to jump down the throat of anyone who isn't into bicycles.

Well that confirms my assumption because you won't deny it. I assume you have to live in NW if bicyclists annoy you more than cars. You don't actually experience the day to day nuisance of bad road design. You don't experience things like criminals flying down your one way street the wrong way while you're trying to get your kids into the car (hey, no one died! I shouldn't care, right? I should care about the bicyclists, right!). You don't experience drivers running the red light at the end of your street At. Least. Once. Every. Single. Week. when you have the green and are turning left with your kids in the car. You don't even experience much of the crime you are pretending to be so concerned about while here in a forum about the bike lobby advocating for safer streets.

Also, apparently you don't have anything better to do either, you're here too?