Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

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I can't believe you OP.

Imagine you are living in Germany. You have "Adolfo Street", "Hitler Blvd", "Gobbels Drive", "Aushwitz Square"... does that seem appropriate to you?

Do you think slavery was just happy slaves picking cotton in the fields? Are you unaware of the rape, torture, and murder that took place? The destruction of families, the robbery of children, the tossing overboard mid-ocean of "excess cargo" (i.e. human beings). It's ridiculous that our homage to the Confederacy has lasted this long.

It's disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When people can't figure out how to lift themselves up, they try to tear others down.

That applies broadly, including with respect to people constantly looking for new litmus tests in order to cancel large numbers of their fellow Americans as insufficiently committed to the "work," the "reckoning," "equity," "social justice," etc. It's scary how constantly aggrieved yet weirdly intolerant some of these people are.

You think we should all "tolerate" white supremacists?

Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

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How many more generations before we get rid of the low level just under the surface racism in this country?

Based on current trends eventually we'll all be mixed race and it won't be an issue but that could take a dozen generations or more.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

However having to see these statues on a daily basis could definitely to having more of a personal opinion on the matter rather than speaking from a moral standpoint. I have never once seen a segregationist or confederate’s name be used in md or dc.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Then why do you even care? Take them down. So what.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Be wary, theyre spreading like termites through the core all the way to loudoun and pw county now.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Be wary, theyre spreading like termites through the core all the way to loudoun and pw county now.

That kind of dehumanizing language (“termite”, “infest”) often precedes genocide. Germany, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda. This thread is scary.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Be wary, theyre spreading like termites through the core all the way to loudoun and pw county now.

That kind of dehumanizing language (“termite”, “infest”) often precedes genocide. Germany, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda. This thread is scary.

I agree - although I suspect this is just one racist in VA sock-puppeting supportive replies.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

Really? What do you think would be “representative of the state” — which includes everything from southwestern Virginia to the DC suburbs? Are there views “representative of the state” that somehow include the FFVs, the Ballston Bros, the recent suburban transplants, the immigrants, the longtime rural communities AND the 20% of the population that’s made up of non-monolithic Black communities?

Well this forum is made of people who come from the DC area, so i would doubt those from southwest virginia or even people from as south as fredericksburg engaging in it. Obviously it would be more insightful to get the standpoints of people from all across the state, as these monuments are concentrated from anywhere from Arlington to Richmond to Southwestern Virginia.

I’m not questioning the value of having insights that are “representative of the state”. I’m asking what that would look like since the PP has decided that “this thread is…very biased”.

Various county elected officials and board members have voted to keep these monuments and statues in place throughout Virginia. County-wide Referendums across the state have also indicated that the majority of the voters do not want to remove these statues.

We sure have some "very fine" racists here in VA.

Wanting to keep confederate monuments does not equal being a racist. Are you that ignorant?

Please list all of the non-racist reasons for keeping monuments to white supremacy. Try not to sound like a racist when you list them out.

NP. I don’t really have a strong opinion on this particular issue, I just don’t want to be like the liberals in Maryland and DC. I think this whole DMV thing is a bunch of bs, these New York migrants have an identity crisis and want to be so superior and different from the rest of Virginia yet send their kids to UVA and VT. Go try finding this acronym in border crossing states like St. Louis or Kansas City. They’ll get a good chuckle. Back in the day all the liberal minded folks would move to Maryland and the conservatives would move to Virginia. Then they all started to get jealous of the low taxes and better way of living and started to infest our beautiful southern state. Take me back please.

Identity crisis?

No, we just think racists are trash.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

However having to see these statues on a daily basis could definitely to having more of a personal opinion on the matter rather than speaking from a moral standpoint. I have never once seen a segregationist or confederate’s name be used in md or dc.

DP: Of course you have. The now re-named Woodrow Wilson HS ( that was known as “the white HS” when I was a child) was named after an avowed segregationist, who worked very hard to intensify segregation throughout the Federal government and throughout DC — the Federal City.

Newlands fountain, in Chevy Chase Circle was named to honor a real estate developer — who was responsible for developing neighborhoods marketed with restrictive racial covenants. Those are just two. There are many, many more, from Founding Fathers who enslaved people, to presidents like Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren who built their reputations on genocide. And some of us will always refer to the airport as “National”.

Just to add that many people from DC, MD, and beyond work and shop in Virginia on a daily basis. If “having to see these statues on a daily basis” is somehow what counts in order to express an opinion, then it is in no way limited to the people who live in Virginia.



https://dcist.com/story/22/01/18/white-supremacist-name-removed-chevy-chase-fountain/