Propose parents sue the Coalition for TJ--you're holding up our kids' decisions

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Anonymous wrote:It is frustrating, isn’t it? The coalition is holding a large number of kids hostage (including my kid) as they try to make their voice heard. Why not ask to stop the process for the next class? But allow this one to be seated using the criteria that we understood when our kid was applying? You aren’t going to get a test this year. All you are doing is throwing kids into confusion. My kid is an Asian male at a feeder school (so someone they claim they are advocating on behalf of) and I don’t get what the coalition is going for here.

I think there was even greater confusion when the School Board changed the process - most School Board members didn’t even know whether the 1.5% quotas were based on students’ base schools or their attending schools. “Clarifying” that it was based on attending schools underscored the anti-AAP, anti-Asian and anti-meritocratic nature of the changes.

So, sure, the continued uncertainty as to what the courts may do is unsettling, but let’s not forget who created this obscene mess. It wasn’t the C4TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:It is frustrating, isn’t it? The coalition is holding a large number of kids hostage (including my kid) as they try to make their voice heard. Why not ask to stop the process for the next class? But allow this one to be seated using the criteria that we understood when our kid was applying? You aren’t going to get a test this year. All you are doing is throwing kids into confusion. My kid is an Asian male at a feeder school (so someone they claim they are advocating on behalf of) and I don’t get what the coalition is going for here.

I think there was even greater confusion when the School Board changed the process - most School Board members didn’t even know whether the 1.5% quotas were based on students’ base schools or their attending schools. “Clarifying” that it was based on attending schools underscored the anti-AAP, anti-Asian and anti-meritocratic nature of the changes.

So, sure, the continued uncertainty as to what the courts may do is unsettling, but let’s not forget who created this obscene mess. It wasn’t the C4TJ.

Umm. My kid knew what he was getting into when he applied. He wanted to put the best application he could forward and see what happened. Now a bunch of people are stopping the process and he has no idea what’s going on. He wants to know what next year brings so he can focus on summer plans (marching band? PE over the summer? Where will his friends be?). This all matters at 14. I am not worried because all his options are good but let’s be crystal clear - there is only one group of people unsettling him right now and it’s not FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:It is frustrating, isn’t it? The coalition is holding a large number of kids hostage (including my kid) as they try to make their voice heard. Why not ask to stop the process for the next class? But allow this one to be seated using the criteria that we understood when our kid was applying? You aren’t going to get a test this year. All you are doing is throwing kids into confusion. My kid is an Asian male at a feeder school (so someone they claim they are advocating on behalf of) and I don’t get what the coalition is going for here.

I think there was even greater confusion when the School Board changed the process - most School Board members didn’t even know whether the 1.5% quotas were based on students’ base schools or their attending schools. “Clarifying” that it was based on attending schools underscored the anti-AAP, anti-Asian and anti-meritocratic nature of the changes.

So, sure, the continued uncertainty as to what the courts may do is unsettling, but let’s not forget who created this obscene mess. It wasn’t the C4TJ.

Umm. My kid knew what he was getting into when he applied. He wanted to put the best application he could forward and see what happened. Now a bunch of people are stopping the process and he has no idea what’s going on. He wants to know what next year brings so he can focus on summer plans (marching band? PE over the summer? Where will his friends be?). This all matters at 14. I am not worried because all his options are good but let’s be crystal clear - there is only one group of people unsettling him right now and it’s not FCPS.

I’m sure he’ll do fine but your blaming the people who are trying to protect our Constitutional rights isn’t a good look. This School Board and the TJAAG care about politics and we are all paying the price for their pandering and their incompetence.

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The constitutional right of low income students to free public education is violated by a system that discriminate in favour of those that had expensive prep. 30% from one test center in obscene. That same service should be a free elective class provided in all local middle schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the lawsuit I’d like to see - all named members of the Coalition enjoined from being anywhere within 500 feet of TJ’s footprint. They’ve already engaged in enough violence against this class purporting that they don’t belong - their presence in and around the building endangers any student who doesn’t fit their narrative.

Parent of a current TJ kid? Too bad - should have thought of that before you relentlessly attacked the Class of 2025 to further your sickening agenda.

Where do I sign? These people are destroying the school.

These people destroyed the school when their kids became a majority.

PP. hard disagree. Let’s not conflate the Coalition folks with Asians as a whole. They claim to represent the entirety of that demographic but they do not. And no one serious who is pro-reform believes that Asians destroyed the school.

And specifically it's a tiny contingent of parents who are exploiting the situation for their own gains. NOT because they have students' best interests at heart.

I don't agree with them but how are they exploiting?

They are spinning up this whole issue in conservative news to drive “education” as a wedge issue for the GOP.

Go scroll through Asra’s Twitter feed. Clearly, she’s just trying to promote herself to land more spots on FoxNews and to push GOP candidates.

She’s a Trumphumper with Koch Bro friends at PDE.

And you don't like the GOP and conservatives. Understood. She is entitled to her political beliefs. I completely disagree with her political beliefs and her general methods. However, as parents, we have no choice but to stand up to the insane jealousy-driven hate toward our kids.

And you’re totally delusional.

This has nothing to do with Asian kids. Just the complete lack of diversity - in many aspects. Racial, economic, ELL, geographic, etc.

Please give it a rest. You are the ones destroying the school. On diversity, you do realize there are over 3billion people in India and China. We are as diverse as can be. Asians in FCPS speak many different languages, have different religions, backgrounds, income levels, and immigrant status. Maybe you should spend time with people who don't look like you to truly understand.

TJ is definitely the most diverse high school in this area. Those people refusing to see this it ruining this wonderful school. Hopefully the supreme court will stop them.

Any high-school that is 70% one demographic group is one of the least diverse in the county.

Yea, if you lump Indians, Vietnamese, Koreans, and Chinese together and call them the same demographic group.

Just like lumping together all of the European communities, African communities, Hispanic communities, American Indian tribes, etc?

Therefore diversity based on race is racist and counterproductive.

Yes I demand we have more short people, like me, in TJ. What is their percentage of short students?! Can we get some equity please.

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Anonymous wrote:What motivates the TJAAG is their fear that their TJ degrees will be worth less in certain circles if their alma mater is looked on less favorably because it doesn’t have enough Black and Hispanic students.

The TJAAG tries to portray itself as altruistic, but they are reactive and self-centered.

The trouble with conservatives is that their world view is so deeply skewed that they can’t even CONCEIVE of a person or group doing something that is the right thing to do even if it harms themselves.

Thus they have to engage in tortured logic to somehow reverse-justify the beliefs of their enemies.

Harming themselves..how? Self serving self righteousness is all I can see from the results you have achieved. Whites 26% up, Asians 26% down.

In the first place,you lump a very diverse group of people that represent almost 50% of the world's population over 3.5billion.people if you just include China, India, Pakistan, Middle East, Bangladesh, Korea, Vietnam, Japan...Just India and China themselves have kids speaking second languages like Mandarin, Cantonese, Tamil, Hindi, Urdu. Telugu and many others..

TJ's so called Asian students have different racial backgrounds, national origins, languages, immigration status, income levels. Yet you insist on dehumanizing them by seeing them as a monolith.

All this to serve your own purposes. Look in a mirror and think how you are actually helping. Bringing your politics to schools for your selfishness is just ugly, evil and ignorant.

So, at 54% of the class, Asians are well represented.

There's no such thing as "well represented." The appropriate representation in a gifted and talented program is the percentage of people that are gifted and talented. If those people happen to be asian, then so be it

Any school with over 50% of one group is hardly diverse.

Umm.. so what?

Yes, you don't care. We know. Luckily, the courts know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pop quiz. Name all the countries from Latin America and Africa who has former citizens and their descendants in Fairfax county and their relative representation in TJ.

Answer: appalling low.

That would be an issue if TJ were in Latin America or africa. Same point for Asia on the earlier post. That TJ should mirror share of world pop is the stupidest argument here. And that is quite an accomplishment

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The argument is the TJ should mirror the population of Fairfax county, the place that the school is located!

If certain socio-economic and racial groups are systematically excluded from a school that is supposed to serve them as contributing members of that community then it’s unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

You all aren’t making much of a case that things need to be speeded up so the child of the Asian poster can have a decision sooner. You’re mostly just arguing that TJHSST shouldn’t exist at all. It will always be elitist, divisive, and discriminatory.

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Anonymous wrote:You all aren’t making much of a case that things need to be speeded up so the child of the Asian poster can have a decision sooner. You’re mostly just arguing that TJHSST shouldn’t exist at all. It will always be elitist, divisive, and discriminatory.

No, there will always be people who are elitist, divisive, and racist whether or not a meritocratic STEM school exist or not. Destroying such a school to placate bad people is a terrible idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the lawsuit I’d like to see - all named members of the Coalition enjoined from being anywhere within 500 feet of TJ’s footprint. They’ve already engaged in enough violence against this class purporting that they don’t belong - their presence in and around the building endangers any student who doesn’t fit their narrative.

Parent of a current TJ kid? Too bad - should have thought of that before you relentlessly attacked the Class of 2025 to further your sickening agenda.

Where do I sign? These people are destroying the school.

These people destroyed the school when their kids became a majority.

PP. hard disagree. Let’s not conflate the Coalition folks with Asians as a whole. They claim to represent the entirety of that demographic but they do not. And no one serious who is pro-reform believes that Asians destroyed the school.

And specifically it's a tiny contingent of parents who are exploiting the situation for their own gains. NOT because they have students' best interests at heart.

I don't agree with them but how are they exploiting?

They are spinning up this whole issue in conservative news to drive “education” as a wedge issue for the GOP.

Go scroll through Asra’s Twitter feed. Clearly, she’s just trying to promote herself to land more spots on FoxNews and to push GOP candidates.

She’s a Trumphumper with Koch Bro friends at PDE.

And you don't like the GOP and conservatives. Understood. She is entitled to her political beliefs. I completely disagree with her political beliefs and her general methods. However, as parents, we have no choice but to stand up to the insane jealousy-driven hate toward our kids.

And you’re totally delusional.

This has nothing to do with Asian kids. Just the complete lack of diversity - in many aspects. Racial, economic, ELL, geographic, etc.

Please give it a rest. You are the ones destroying the school. On diversity, you do realize there are over 3billion people in India and China. We are as diverse as can be. Asians in FCPS speak many different languages, have different religions, backgrounds, income levels, and immigrant status. Maybe you should spend time with people who don't look like you to truly understand.

TJ is definitely the most diverse high school in this area. Those people refusing to see this it ruining this wonderful school. Hopefully the supreme court will stop them.

Any high-school that is 70% one demographic group is one of the least diverse in the county.

Yea, if you lump Indians, Vietnamese, Koreans, and Chinese together and call them the same demographic group.

Just like lumping together all of the European communities, African communities, Hispanic communities, American Indian tribes, etc?

Therefore diversity based on race is racist and counterproductive.

Yes I demand we have more short people, like me, in TJ. What is their percentage of short students?! Can we get some equity please.

Imaging typing this and thinking you've made a cogent contribution.

The irony of identifying the point, yet missing it. If you believe the PP's hypothetical point about tall/short students is ridiculously beyond consideration, why do the same for skin color.

[Anonymous]

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The constitutional right of low income students to free public education is violated by a system that discriminate in favour of those that had expensive prep. 30% from one test center in obscene. That same service should be a free elective class provided in all local middle schools.

I must have missed that part of the constitution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all aren’t making much of a case that things need to be speeded up so the child of the Asian poster can have a decision sooner. You’re mostly just arguing that TJHSST shouldn’t exist at all. It will always be elitist, divisive, and discriminatory.

No, there will always be people who are elitist, divisive, and racist whether or not a meritocratic STEM school exist or not. Destroying such a school to placate bad people is a terrible idea.

But what if the people aren’t bad and just have a different idea of merit than you do? At some point it becomes pragmatic to wind down TJHSST as a public magnet, given the neglect of many other schools because this School Board and school system spend way too much time obsessing over the perfect TJ admissions mousetrap. Set up your own private school instead if you must.

Many of us dislike the squabbling Coalition for TJ and the hypocrites in charge of the TJAAG in equal measure and would be happy if you all just went away.

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The constitutional right of low income students to free public education is violated by a system that discriminate in favour of those that had expensive prep. 30% from one test center in obscene. That same service should be a free elective class provided in all local middle schools.

Or just radically change TJ and rethink it. I would LOVE to see either:
1) change to an academy where any child could take classes.

2) a school for 11th -12th grade only. It’s just silly to have 9th and 10th graders attend when all of the classes that they take are offered at their base schools. Doing this would double the number of kids that they can serve.

I know that there has been discussion within FCPS and the TJ administration for option #1. This really truly is what advocate should be pushing for. I would be great if the new superintendent got behind this.

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Anonymous wrote:What motivates the TJAAG is their fear that their TJ degrees will be worth less in certain circles if their alma mater is looked on less favorably because it doesn’t have enough Black and Hispanic students.

The TJAAG tries to portray itself as altruistic, but they are reactive and self-centered.

The trouble with conservatives is that their world view is so deeply skewed that they can’t even CONCEIVE of a person or group doing something that is the right thing to do even if it harms themselves.

Thus they have to engage in tortured logic to somehow reverse-justify the beliefs of their enemies.

Harming themselves..how? Self serving self righteousness is all I can see from the results you have achieved. Whites 26% up, Asians 26% down.

In the first place,you lump a very diverse group of people that represent almost 50% of the world's population over 3.5billion.people if you just include China, India, Pakistan, Middle East, Bangladesh, Korea, Vietnam, Japan...Just India and China themselves have kids speaking second languages like Mandarin, Cantonese, Tamil, Hindi, Urdu. Telugu and many others..

TJ's so called Asian students have different racial backgrounds, national origins, languages, immigration status, income levels. Yet you insist on dehumanizing them by seeing them as a monolith.

All this to serve your own purposes. Look in a mirror and think how you are actually helping. Bringing your politics to schools for your selfishness is just ugly, evil and ignorant.

So, at 54% of the class, Asians are well represented.

There's no such thing as "well represented." The appropriate representation in a gifted and talented program is the percentage of people that are gifted and talented. If those people happen to be asian, then so be it

Any school with over 50% of one group is hardly diverse.

The idea to group more than half of the world population -- Dravidian, Aryans, Punjab, Hindis, Muslims, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Afghanistan, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese, Iranians, Vietnamese, Filipino ... -- into a single "race" is laughable. What's the rational? They have different culture, traditions, food, customs ...

Half of the world…half of TJ.

What’s the issue?

You will have to ask FCPS what the "issue" it is trying to "fix". They are mostly first gen immigrants. If you have to group them into a single group, first-generation immigrant is probably a more appropriate group designation as the commonality shared among the incredible diverse student body.

I guess FCPS hates immigrants. That's the issue.

I thought they were working hard to make these programs open to everyone not just a few groups heavily vested in expensive outside prep.

You'll have to show that a majority of prior TJ students got there through expensive outside prep. You'd also have to show a rational basis for your determination of "expensive".

I think Curie already did this. One of several prominent prep centers accounts for over 30% of those admitted when they published the names.

You are spreading fake new Putin puppet.

I know Curie only accounted for 25% of the kids admitted! https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/906227.page

THey have been very successful getting kids into TJ but it's just one of several popular places that help students with their application and preparing them for selection.

The prep market in NVa is very very competitive and different centers market heavily. Curie had something with the class of 2024. Maybe it was access to the test, maybe they just happened to have 133 brilliant kids, but they only got 50 in the year before. Something was going on.