Should Northeastern be T20? Or even T10?

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Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

OP is making me want to cross off Northeastern from our Boston vision next week. Insufferable.

When a random troll at an anonymous forum affects decision making

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Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

OP is making me want to cross off Northeastern from our Boston vision next week. Insufferable.

DP - it's worth a visit if your student is interested, but we personally were a bit unimpressed by the campus after how much it was hyped up. And just take all the marketing spin with a grain of salt. It's a good school for what it is, but there is a legion of rabid promoters of the school who will not rest unless you join them in proclaiming that NEU is just about superior in every way. It's genuinely quite weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

OP is making me want to cross off Northeastern from our Boston vision next week. Insufferable.

DP - it's worth a visit if your student is interested, but we personally were a bit unimpressed by the campus after how much it was hyped up. And just take all the marketing spin with a grain of salt. It's a good school for what it is, but there is a legion of rabid promoters of the school who will not rest unless you join them in proclaiming that NEU is just about superior in every way. It's genuinely quite weird.

What's weird to me is the trolls and bashers.
Spend time on what you like and are interested.

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Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

OP is making me want to cross off Northeastern from our Boston vision next week. Insufferable.

DP - it's worth a visit if your student is interested, but we personally were a bit unimpressed by the campus after how much it was hyped up. And just take all the marketing spin with a grain of salt. It's a good school for what it is, but there is a legion of rabid promoters of the school who will not rest unless you join them in proclaiming that NEU is just about superior in every way. It's genuinely quite weird.

What's weird to me is the trolls and bashers.
Spend time on what you like and are interested.

What's weird is that the trolls and bashers are the same person.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

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T10 is comical and just somebody trolling, its debatable if its even T10 in Massachusetts let alone the US

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Anonymous wrote:T10 is comical and just somebody trolling, its debatable if its even T10 in Massachusetts let alone the US

2022 Best Colleges in Massachusetts

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/massachusetts/

#7 according to Niche

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Anonymous wrote:T10 is comical and just somebody trolling, its debatable if its even T10 in Massachusetts let alone the US

2022 Best Colleges in Massachusetts

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/massachusetts/

#7 according to Niche

so a school is ranked #7 in its state and you're trying to claim it's ranked within the top 10 in the whole country?

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Anonymous wrote:T10 is comical and just somebody trolling, its debatable if its even T10 in Massachusetts let alone the US

2022 Best Colleges in Massachusetts

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/massachusetts/

#7 according to Niche

so a school is ranked #7 in its state and you're trying to claim it's ranked within the top 10 in the whole country?

I'm not OP.
I think OP is a troll trying to mock Northeastern like many bashers here.

By the way, MA is a state with MIT and Harvard as well as #1 LAC, also there are 114 colleges and universities in the state.
I think #7 is not bad at all.

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Anonymous wrote:T10 is comical and just somebody trolling, its debatable if its even T10 in Massachusetts let alone the US

2022 Best Colleges in Massachusetts

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/massachusetts/

#7 according to Niche

so a school is ranked #7 in its state and you're trying to claim it's ranked within the top 10 in the whole country?

I'm not OP.
I think OP is a troll trying to mock Northeastern like many bashers here.

By the way, MA is a state with MIT and Harvard as well as #1 LAC, also there are 114 colleges and universities in the state.
I think #7 is not bad at all.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

I think your animus is misdirected. [Most] people aren't saying that NEU isn't a good school. They're taking issue with the fact that NEU boosters are trying to claim it's a T20 or T10 school, sometimes even at the expense of other schools. It's just overall unhinged and desperate behavior.

People that are claiming that Northeastern barely belongs in the top 100 and just as deranged as those claiming that NEU is top 10.

It's closer to 100 than it is to 1.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

So you pick out 3 examples out of 100s of public universities in the country for your comparison?

UT Austin and Texas A&M both have high endowments due to oil money. They literally struck black gold. No other reason.

U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.

The endowment of the remaining top public universities - UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, U. Washington, Georgia Tech, etc. etc. - rarely hits above $5 billion.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

UCLA is barely T50 and UCSB, UCSD are T100? What are you smoking?

Endowments relate to the prestige garnered by the school throughout its entire existence more so than its current quality.

Also, public universities tend to have lower endowments despite having a huge number of successful alumni because (a) they don't bother much in getting donations out of alumni and (b) they are backed by the state so (a) is unnecessary.

Is that why University of Texas has a larger endowment than any ivy other than Harvard? Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Darthmouth and Brown...combined. Michigan is larger than Columbia. You assertion of public not having large endowments is just talking out of your rearend without any basis in facts.

So you pick out 3 examples out of 100s of public universities in the country for your comparison?

UT Austin and Texas A&M both have high endowments due to oil money. They literally struck black gold. No other reason.

U. Michigan and UVA are outliers in terms of public endowment and their endowment is still paltry in a per-student basis compared to the privates like Columbia.

The endowment of the remaining top public universities - UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, U. Washington, Georgia Tech, etc. etc. - rarely hits above $5 billion.

$5 billion as your threshold? You are an idiot. There are only 12 private colleges with an endowment greater than $5 billion excluding the ivies.

But I agree with you that the publics get massive state funding but this just further highlights how impressive public colleges that have large endowments, not only do they have larger endowments in many cases but they also get massive state funding

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I feel that OP is clairvoyant and has struck a raw chord in folks who don't want to believe in NEU. I think change is always hard, and revolutions even harder. NEU is focused on the revolution of future of higher ed which in essence is a capitalistic view where the university needs to be a business in a good way. It has bought other campuses and pushes online education to expand its reach. It need not invest in big-name faculty because it knows many others can do as good a job in the classroom for half the salary. It also does not waste money in a D1 football team or some crazy expensive sports. Who wants to waste money on a football coach costing millions of dollars like Stanford does. That is why it will be toe-to-toe or exceed the Ivies and other old-world elite schools. It is the common sense approach to education.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that OP is clairvoyant and has struck a raw chord in folks who don't want to believe in NEU. I think change is always hard, and revolutions even harder. NEU is focused on the revolution of future of higher ed which in essence is a capitalistic view where the university needs to be a business in a good way. It has bought other campuses and pushes online education to expand its reach. It need not invest in big-name faculty because it knows many others can do as good a job in the classroom for half the salary. It also does not waste money in a D1 football team or some crazy expensive sports. Who wants to waste money on a football coach costing millions of dollars like Stanford does. That is why it will be toe-to-toe or exceed the Ivies and other old-world elite schools. It is the common sense approach to education.

Lmao @ all the PPs whining about Northeastern getting unwarranted hate. Stuff like this is exactly why.