Should Northeastern be T20? Or even T10?

[Anonymous]

UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Bucknell ain't got no 90000 applicants this year. May not have had 90000 applicants ever in the history of the place. Granted NEU sends application fee waivers to lots of people and it needs no essays (who wants to read a bunch of junk written by high schoolers). But still it means a lot for 90000 applicants to click the submit button to NEU. Even its cross-town peer MIT could hardly make it over 40000. 90K versus 40K - if this were a hockey match, it would be game over. (BTW, NEU is the hockey east regular season champ and Harvard, Brown and their ilk are not even close.)

[Anonymous]

Northeastern carefully studied what it needed to do to rise in the USN rankings and did those things. Shrank just enough class sizes to score points, bought higher stats kids with copious merit aid, started denying the local kids who had always filled their classrooms in favor of applicants from around the country in order to build national name recognition.

They rebranded and people fell for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Bucknell ain't got no 90000 applicants this year. May not have had 90000 applicants ever in the history of the place. Granted NEU sends application fee waivers to lots of people and it needs no essays (who wants to read a bunch of junk written by high schoolers). But still it means a lot for 90000 applicants to click the submit button to NEU. Even its cross-town peer MIT could hardly make it over 40000. 90K versus 40K - if this were a hockey match, it would be game over. (BTW, NEU is the hockey east regular season champ and Harvard, Brown and their ilk are not even close.)

The point is that even though Bucknell is a small liberal arts school in a sleepy PA town their endowment is still larger than NEU, endowment is a reflection of alumni success + loyalty, let that sink in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

most like match school for top 25. NEU has really come up in the world, and some of you haven't admitted it yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

most like match school for top 25. NEU has really come up in the world, and some of you haven't admitted it yet.

Popularity sitting in for quality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

most like match school for top 25. NEU has really come up in the world, and some of you haven't admitted it yet.

It’s not elite. It’s good for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some truth to what OP is saying. Happened to me this weekend.

Me: My kid goes to Northwestern
Friend: You mean the one down in Boston. Heard they got co-ops.
Me: No, the one near Chicago
Friend: Oh...Haven't heard of that

Granted my friend is confused. But I am wondering if it is Northwestern going down or Northeastern going up.

How about didn't happen?

+1. This is getting ridiculous. The levels of desperation and cringe exhibited by NEU boosters online is truly something else.

[Anonymous]

It is now even displacing the other directional university, Northwestern.

Yeah, no. Not even remotely. Nice try, shill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA, UCSD, UCI and probably even UCSB all get over 100k applications every year, UCLA is barely T50 regardless of public news rankings, the others are around a T100 school which is actually pretty good, think 50 states, T100 is top 2 per state and given states like NY and MA have many elite colleges T100 is actually very good

Northeastern is a solid school but in all seriousness its barely a T100, maybe in a few decades it could be perceived as a T50, but still too early to tell

A telling indicator is endowment, NEU is barely above $1 billion which is not in the T100 in the US

The T10 schools have enormous endowments which provides a real competitive advantage to not only attract students but also their experience + influence among alumni

Harvard has $53 billion, Yale $43 billion, Princeton $38 billion, Penn $38 billion, Columbia $14 billion, Cornell $10 billion, Dartmouth $8 billion, Brown $7 billion - keep in mind to get these endowments alumni + their networks had to donate funds which indicate that the alumni are disproportionately successful + loyal, important factors for consideration among the most talented of college applicants, think top 1% of top 1%, that one kid in a great high school that everybody knows can go anywhere, etc. - these are the kids that largely end up at T10 schools

NEU is around the T125 to T150 at $1 billion, similar to Fordham, Lafayette, or Bucknell

Its a great school but the perception among younger students is that its safety for students that are targeting T30 to T50 schools

most like match school for top 25. NEU has really come up in the world, and some of you haven't admitted it yet.

It’s not elite. It’s good for what it is.

+1. Just because you annoyingly yell something at people's faces repeatedly doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous]

Northeastern had so many applicants because every kid with above-average stats applied to it as a safety - and they yield protected the top kids to run up their ranking. In my daughter's very smart friend group of say 7-8 girls, each one applied to NE as a safety, or a backup might be a better word for some. A few pulled apps bc of T25 ED acceptances, the lowest stat girls got in right away, the others got deferred. Only one is going, because she had really bad luck with acceptances, but is hoping to get off a waitlist.

Mystery solved.

[Anonymous]

No skin in the Northeastern game, but I do not like their first semester study abroad policy. Wierd way to start college.

[Anonymous]

LOL. Not sure if this question even deserves a response but… it’s not even close to t25. It is (and should be) in 60-100 range. They have played the rankings game better than many schools out there. Def below UMCP and UVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Growing up in the Boston area some three decades ago, I confess that I didn't know of Northeastern. It was largely a commuter school back then. But, now, I have moved back to my hometown, and, WOW, what a difference a few decades make.It seems that Northeastern has all of a sudden become such a high-class school. It is now even displacing the other directional university, Northwestern.

I feel that universities should be ranked largely on how desirable they are to students. After all, that metric cannot be faked (looking at you Columbia). And students are actually voting with their feet which should count for the rankings more than anything else. I mean, if a university gets 90,000 applicants like NEU does, surely that should put it in the T20. Or even T10, I think. I see the Ivies boasting about crossing 50,000 applications and I am thinking: wait till Northeastern crosses 100,000 at twice that amount (!!!).

So, why isn't Northeastern getting the respect it should on this blog and it is IVY-IVY-IVY all the time? Is it just older folks sticking to their old views, not wanting to change? Thoughts welcome.

You have causation exactly backwards. Northeastern is more desirable to applicants because it has risen in the rankings (see other posts about how they games the ranking game), not the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not knowing the stars of kids who got in. Top 50 - maybe.