Should Northeastern be T20? Or even T10?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if a school is attracting a lot of good students and has a lot of of good professors and places students in good jobs, how is it not a good school?
Yes, you can argue it's not the school for everyone but objectively speaking, how is it not a good school?

Because they find it scandalous that NEU administration tried to actually improve the school instead of staying in their place as a commuter school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if a school is attracting a lot of good students and has a lot of of good professors and places students in good jobs, how is it not a good school?
Yes, you can argue it's not the school for everyone but objectively speaking, how is it not a good school?

Because they find it scandalous that NEU administration tried to actually improve the school instead of staying in their place as a commuter school.

That's... not what's happening here, and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NEU's main innovation is running the university like a for-profit. Very clever.

-If dorms cost a lot of money and the Westin Inn is cheap because there is not much travel demand and rooms are vacant, NEU will just house students in the hotel.

And they don't spend on academics as much - who is going to leave NEU because of that, once they are in?

All about profit model — Sounds dreadful for the consumer/student.

but, clever? poor OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My cousin went there in the late 1990s and he's half retarded. I'm pretty sure the essay question on the application back then was, "Can you fog a mirror?" I find it hard to believe that the academic quality has changed THAT much in a couple of decades.

People change, institutions change--a lot can happen in 25 years. I'm not arguing that NEU is a top 20 school, at all. I think it's ranked about right at 50ish. But it's in no way a commuter school or community-college level school anymore.

By the way, your use of "half-retarded," whether or not your cousin has an intellectual disability, makes me want to discount whatever you have to say. That language was common in the 60s and unacceptable by the 90s. Times change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While Schools like UCB, Emory, Columbia cheated the numbers for ranking, Northeastern gamed it really well yet didn't get caught.
(UBC, Emory actually officially got caught cheating, Colmbia under controversy)

They ways it gamed the ranking

1. Oh Class size is important, let's make the class sizes small like 16 19 instead of 30 40 50
2. Oh Retention rate is important, let's make our students happy so they come back. Now the retention rate is 97% (top 7th among National Universities)
3. Oh career outcome is important, let's make our students very marketbk and get them started careers after graduation.
3. Oh endowment is important, let's manage it well. Now ranked #58 among all the private colleges and universities.
etc.

Wait... every school should game the system like Northeastern instead of cheating like UCB Emory Columbia etc. 

They all game the system. They just do it to differing degrees. Some have more avenues to game the system available to them. Others, as pointed out, "cheat".

What they did was eliminate any classes that enrolled 22 or so (no professor overrides). They had to stop at 19 even though it made no difference in the quality of the class. Retention gets taken care of by easy grading, etc.

MIT and U. Chicago are the most rigorous schools out there and their retention is 99%.

Easy grading is not the only factor for retention, but also the school environment (students get lonely and transfer out), city environment (being isolated in a rural town with nothing to do except drinking is depressing), and finances (students can't afford the school anymore due to changing financial/merit aid).

The fact that NEU's retention is so high shows that they have provided a very good environment & financial backing for their students. Boston being Boston obviously helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

I think your animus is misdirected. [Most] people aren't saying that NEU isn't a good school. They're taking issue with the fact that NEU boosters are trying to claim it's a T20 or T10 school, sometimes even at the expense of other schools. It's just overall unhinged and desperate behavior.

People that are claiming that Northeastern barely belongs in the top 100 and just as deranged as those claiming that NEU is top 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if a school is attracting a lot of good students and has a lot of of good professors and places students in good jobs, how is it not a good school?
Yes, you can argue it's not the school for everyone but objectively speaking, how is it not a good school?

Because they find it scandalous that NEU administration tried to actually improve the school instead of staying in their place as a commuter school.

That's... not what's happening here, and you know it.

That is what is going on, based on the amount of gate-keeping in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

I think your animus is misdirected. [Most] people aren't saying that NEU isn't a good school. They're taking issue with the fact that NEU boosters are trying to claim it's a T20 or T10 school, sometimes even at the expense of other schools. It's just overall unhinged and desperate behavior.

People that are claiming that Northeastern barely belongs in the top 100 and just as deranged as those claiming that NEU is top 10.

It's closer to 100 than it is to 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

I think your animus is misdirected. [Most] people aren't saying that NEU isn't a good school. They're taking issue with the fact that NEU boosters are trying to claim it's a T20 or T10 school, sometimes even at the expense of other schools. It's just overall unhinged and desperate behavior.

People that are claiming that Northeastern barely belongs in the top 100 and just as deranged as those claiming that NEU is top 10.

It's closer to 100 than it is to 1.

Only looking at the incoming stats it's closer to top 20 than it is to top 100.

[Anonymous]

I agree. The protectors of prestige sound just as crazy as those who want to vault NEU into the top 10. This school has a fantastic niche and has figured out how to make the most of it. It is for the students who want something almost entirely pre-professional and who may be less interested in traditional academe. I know of no one doing co-op better. Why can't this model have as much respect as any other? NEU grads have fantastic job prospects, and that outcome is primary in my book. You can't eat prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree. The protectors of prestige sound just as crazy as those who want to vault NEU into the top 10. This school has a fantastic niche and has figured out how to make the most of it. It is for the students who want something almost entirely pre-professional and who may be less interested in traditional academe. I know of no one doing co-op better. Why can't this model have as much respect as any other? NEU grads have fantastic job prospects, and that outcome is primary in my book. You can't eat prestige.

Exactly.

U. Waterloo in Canada is similar highly regarded for their co-op program especially in CS, and the top tech firms recruit heavily out of there, more so than universities that are higher ranked for academic research like U. Toronto or U. British Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the hate for Northeastern University hilarious. They are so upset about Northeastern improving and investing in their university along the metrics of the same rankings that everyone holds up as gospel.

Northeastern is a very good school for what it does - co-ops. That's perfect for students that want a bachelors and immediately enter the workforce rather than going to medical/law/graduate school.

As an overall university, a school like Boston University is academically stronger for those interested in professional/graduate studies.

The SLACs that everyone claims is the perfect environment for undergraduate education essentially require the students to go on to graduate/professional schools because they do not invest in their career centers at all.

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is no ones dream school. Period. It gamed the rankings and isnt a target school for top tier employers. Perhaps the back office, but nothing more. It is a safety school for good students and a layup for great students. Period.

It's not even in the top 5 in Boston. Get real and stop thinking USNWR is the end all be all. They worked the rankings. Great. Doesnt change a pedestrian academic reputation.

Back-office? You realize the vast majority of office jobs are considered back-office? The job you are working is likely considered back-office.

The jobs that the vast majority of UVA grads get is back-office as well.

DISAGREE.

Northeastern's COOP program is by far #1 in the nation, hence COOP is often emphasized, but it's a misconception that it's probably not as strong in other areas.

Northeastern has its own College of Health Science
https://bouve.northeastern.edu/

Under the school, it has very strong support for Pre-Med.
Also think about how many kids change their course from their Pre-Med plan.
They get very good Health care related alternatives, and also other good options when they completely change course with the COOP program

Northeastern also has its own Law School and pre-law support
https://law.northeastern.edu/
Nationally ranked #73. You can argue that it's relatively weeker, but it's well withing top 1/3 among 237 law schools in the US.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/northeastern-university-03076

Northeastern is a R1 research school with plenty of research opportunities, and a lot of kids go to grad school.
For example it's ranked #12 for computer science by https://csrankings.org/
The ranking is based on research activities and publications.
So plenty of research opportunities as well as COOP.

It must be so exhausting being who you are. It must eat you up inside that no one thinks of NEU nearly as prestigious as you hope for it to be.

Think about why you are always mad in your life, and seek help.

OP is making me want to cross off Northeastern from our Boston vision next week. Insufferable.