Missionaries should be banned

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Anonymous wrote:What about all the (purportedly) non-religious missionaries acting under the activist label who travel throughout the world promoting and expanding various social movements that go against traditional values in many societies? Should they be banned? Or is what they do OK because people in the developed world think they are right and the traditional values they oppose are outmoded? How is that not cultural imperialism?

True- I’m sure all the people spewing hate towards missionaries for not respecting traditional cultures are absolutely fine with the organizations that go to these cultures to promote/push family planning.

You have something against family planning?

I have something against hypocrites that criticize Christians missionaries for disrespecting local culture’s while praising others for doing the same when it aligns with their values.

I think you're against family planning. Thank goodness there are organizations that will provide these urgently needed services. And no sermon about Jesus gets rammed down their throats at the same time.

I promise you that most missionaries believe just as strongly that these people are urgently in need of god as you believe they are in need of having the benefits of family planning rammed down their throat.

Um.. when you say "god," which god? Is it your god that you're going to ram down their throats? Seems like Religious imperialism to me. Why not respect their local cultures and traditions?

Why not respect their traditions that promote having large families?

You avoided answering the question, but o.k. I don't think many women of the world would agree with having large families if they had a choice, and the demand for family planning is great and is welcomed in many countries (and these services are only available in places where they are welcomed). Ramming your god down their throats is not needed and is, in fact, disrespectful and completely not needed. See the difference?

DP, but the irony that's being pointed out here is that family planning is just as much being rammed down throats, which is to say it's not in either case. People are given the option of family planning, despite it being contradictory to many traditional cultures. People are similarly given the option of becoming Christian, despite that not being a religion native to the area. (This is not how missionaries have always worked granted, but today it is). You're happy to send people to spread the good news of birth control, though. Personally, I'm fine with both, and I trust people, even poor people in developing countries to make these choices for themselves.

It's also very strange to see this set in the context of "Eastern Religions" in Southeast Asia, given that the most common Eastern religion in the region is Buddhism which spread there through missionaries.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Lots of groups killed lots of people thousands of years ago, and hundreds of years ago. This wins as the most stupid argument ever, thanks

+1. Colonialism—western, Islamic, communist—oppressed and eradicated many local societies and customs, and not just belief systems, but whole native economic and political systems.

Militant colonialism—western, Islamic, communist—led to millions more deaths than deaths perpetrated by missionaries of any faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

Atheists have killed millions trying to impose their own belief systems. Secular westerners have killed millions trying to get oil.

Meanwhile, do you have a cite for your claim that missionaries have killed comparable millions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, then anti-christians need to stop disrespecting the Christian culture of America, and of Virginia in particular, and trying to force their beliefs on us.

Mayflower Compact (written by my direct ancestor):

"IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, . . . by the Grace of God. . . Having undertaken FOR THE GLORY OF GOD, AND ADVANCEMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage TO PLANT THE FIRST COLONY IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF VIRGINIA."

Virginia Constitution - Article 1, Section 16:

"[I]t is the mutual DUTY OF ALL TO PRACTICE CHRISTIAN FORBEARANCE, LOVE, AND CHARITY towards each other."

No one is forcing you change your beliefs. Just your actions.

Stop proselytizing to vulnerable people and exploiting their hardships for your gain.

- mayflower descendant

People in America ARE pushing anti-christian, anti-biblical beliefs on others. Don't gaslight me.

Such as?

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Anonymous wrote:What about all the (purportedly) non-religious missionaries acting under the activist label who travel throughout the world promoting and expanding various social movements that go against traditional values in many societies? Should they be banned? Or is what they do OK because people in the developed world think they are right and the traditional values they oppose are outmoded? How is that not cultural imperialism?

True- I’m sure all the people spewing hate towards missionaries for not respecting traditional cultures are absolutely fine with the organizations that go to these cultures to promote/push family planning.

You have something against family planning?

I have something against hypocrites that criticize Christians missionaries for disrespecting local culture’s while praising others for doing the same when it aligns with their values.

I think you're against family planning. Thank goodness there are organizations that will provide these urgently needed services. And no sermon about Jesus gets rammed down their throats at the same time.

I promise you that most missionaries believe just as strongly that these people are urgently in need of god as you believe they are in need of having the benefits of family planning rammed down their throat.

Um.. when you say "god," which god? Is it your god that you're going to ram down their throats? Seems like Religious imperialism to me. Why not respect their local cultures and traditions?

Why not respect their traditions that promote having large families?

You avoided answering the question, but o.k. I don't think many women of the world would agree with having large families if they had a choice, and the demand for family planning is great and is welcomed in many countries (and these services are only available in places where they are welcomed). Ramming your god down their throats is not needed and is, in fact, disrespectful and completely not needed. See the difference?

DP, but the irony that's being pointed out here is that family planning is just as much being rammed down throats, which is to say it's not in either case. People are given the option of family planning, despite it being contradictory to many traditional cultures. People are similarly given the option of becoming Christian, despite that not being a religion native to the area. (This is not how missionaries have always worked granted, but today it is). You're happy to send people to spread the good news of birth control, though. Personally, I'm fine with both, and I trust people, even poor people in developing countries to make these choices for themselves.

It's also very strange to see this set in the context of "Eastern Religions" in Southeast Asia, given that the most common Eastern religion in the region is Buddhism which spread there through missionaries.

Should we ban Buddhist proselytizers in the US? There’s nothing be at work who never stops talking about Buddhism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there

More deaths than from religion too, I suspect. Pp’s may be conflating colonialists with missionaries. Pp with the stay about millions of deaths from missionaries alone needs to give a cite for that.

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Anonymous wrote:What about all the (purportedly) non-religious missionaries acting under the activist label who travel throughout the world promoting and expanding various social movements that go against traditional values in many societies? Should they be banned? Or is what they do OK because people in the developed world think they are right and the traditional values they oppose are outmoded? How is that not cultural imperialism?

True- I’m sure all the people spewing hate towards missionaries for not respecting traditional cultures are absolutely fine with the organizations that go to these cultures to promote/push family planning.

You have something against family planning?

I have something against hypocrites that criticize Christians missionaries for disrespecting local culture’s while praising others for doing the same when it aligns with their values.

I think you're against family planning. Thank goodness there are organizations that will provide these urgently needed services. And no sermon about Jesus gets rammed down their throats at the same time.

I promise you that most missionaries believe just as strongly that these people are urgently in need of god as you believe they are in need of having the benefits of family planning rammed down their throat.

Um.. when you say "god," which god? Is it your god that you're going to ram down their throats? Seems like Religious imperialism to me. Why not respect their local cultures and traditions?

Why not respect their traditions that promote having large families?

You avoided answering the question, but o.k. I don't think many women of the world would agree with having large families if they had a choice, and the demand for family planning is great and is welcomed in many countries (and these services are only available in places where they are welcomed). Ramming your god down their throats is not needed and is, in fact, disrespectful and completely not needed. See the difference?

DP, but the irony that's being pointed out here is that family planning is just as much being rammed down throats, which is to say it's not in either case. People are given the option of family planning, despite it being contradictory to many traditional cultures. People are similarly given the option of becoming Christian, despite that not being a religion native to the area. (This is not how missionaries have always worked granted, but today it is). You're happy to send people to spread the good news of birth control, though. Personally, I'm fine with both, and I trust people, even poor people in developing countries to make these choices for themselves.

It's also very strange to see this set in the context of "Eastern Religions" in Southeast Asia, given that the most common Eastern religion in the region is Buddhism which spread there through missionaries.

Should we ban Buddhist proselytizers in the US? There’s nothing be at work who never stops talking about Buddhism.

What?

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Anonymous wrote:What about all the (purportedly) non-religious missionaries acting under the activist label who travel throughout the world promoting and expanding various social movements that go against traditional values in many societies? Should they be banned? Or is what they do OK because people in the developed world think they are right and the traditional values they oppose are outmoded? How is that not cultural imperialism?

True- I’m sure all the people spewing hate towards missionaries for not respecting traditional cultures are absolutely fine with the organizations that go to these cultures to promote/push family planning.

You have something against family planning?

I have something against hypocrites that criticize Christians missionaries for disrespecting local culture’s while praising others for doing the same when it aligns with their values.

I think you're against family planning. Thank goodness there are organizations that will provide these urgently needed services. And no sermon about Jesus gets rammed down their throats at the same time.

I promise you that most missionaries believe just as strongly that these people are urgently in need of god as you believe they are in need of having the benefits of family planning rammed down their throat.

Um.. when you say "god," which god? Is it your god that you're going to ram down their throats? Seems like Religious imperialism to me. Why not respect their local cultures and traditions?

Why not respect their traditions that promote having large families?

You avoided answering the question, but o.k. I don't think many women of the world would agree with having large families if they had a choice, and the demand for family planning is great and is welcomed in many countries (and these services are only available in places where they are welcomed). Ramming your god down their throats is not needed and is, in fact, disrespectful and completely not needed. See the difference?

Now answer my question: why do you think the people in these counties are "urgently in need of god," (to use your exact words)?

Actually you were the one who used first used the word urgently to describe their need for family planning services, so I was just repeating your language. Nor did I say that I personally believe the people in these countries are urgently in need of God- I said that most missionaries believe this, just as fervently as you believe they are in need of family planning services, so saying that their cultural interference is “bad” while yours is “good” is merely a product of your specific ideological worldview.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there

The Cultural Revolution in China (talk about eradicating a local culture) led to at least 30 million deaths, some say as many as 80 million.

The potato famine caused 1 million deaths. I’m not aware of other “colonialist imposed” (as opposed to happened-during) famines, but I’m happy to be shown others. Colonialism led to many more deaths by straight-up war and oppression.

The point, though, is that many here are confusing colonialism with missionaries when they talk about millions of deaths. And none seems as bad as something like the atheist-led Cultural Revolution.

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Now answer my question: why do you think the people in these counties are "urgently in need of god," (to use your exact words)?

Actually you were the one who used first used the word urgently to describe their need for family planning services, so I was just repeating your language. Nor did I say that I personally believe the people in these countries are urgently in need of God- I said that most missionaries believe this, just as fervently as you believe they are in need of family planning services, so saying that their cultural interference is “bad” while yours is “good” is merely a product of your specific ideological worldview.

DP. Pointing out that the Bible says Jesus will return AFTER his message has been spread to the 4 corners of the earth. So if Christian missionaries haven't made it to a country yet, that might hold things up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there

The Cultural Revolution in China (talk about eradicating a local culture) led to at least 30 million deaths, some say as many as 80 million.

The potato famine caused 1 million deaths. I’m not aware of other “colonialist imposed” (as opposed to happened-during) famines, but I’m happy to be shown others. Colonialism led to many more deaths by straight-up war and oppression.

The point, though, is that many here are confusing colonialism with missionaries when they talk about millions of deaths. And none seems as bad as something like the atheist-led Cultural Revolution.

Unlesss you’re talking about missionaries who are taking their service projects to their own culture, when white Americans do missionary work it is synonymous with colonialism. (Other races can be Christian in a colonialist way too, it’s just white people who are usually doing it)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m against proselytizing. But you have to admit, DCUM’s hateful anti-religion proselytizers are just as bad.

What? Proselytization by Christian missionaries has resulted in the death of millions over the course of the past few centuries. That is not an exaggeration. It has also resulted in laws which punish homosexuality by death. It has torn apart communities, separated families, imposed foreign rule and white dominance.

DCUM meanwhile is typing feverishly on a website. Hurting your feelings, I guess?

Yup, just as bad.

Atheists in Cambodia and China and elsewhere have killed many more millions. Your point?

If you want to compare the death tolls from colonialism vs. communism, colonialism will win. British imposed famines alone might get you there

More deaths than from religion too, I suspect. Pp’s may be conflating colonialists with missionaries. Pp with the stay about millions of deaths from missionaries alone needs to give a cite for that.

Missionaries and colonists are one and the same. There is no separation between them. The purpose of Spanish missionaries in Latin/S America was to both colonize and convert the millions of native tribes. The priests and missionaries sent by Spain had that very aim in mind - in addition to claiming the land, they converted the people. When latter failed, they slaughtered them. That same thing happened in N America, including the US and Canada. An estimated 70M indigenous people have died during this conquest.

All these pro-missionary folks trying to create a separation between colonizers and missionaries are fooling themselves. It has been the same deed for centuries.

[Anonymous]

Missionary position should be banned.