Got reported to child protection service

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Anonymous wrote:Just to end the debate - the District of Columbia CPS manual says that the practice of coining is an abusive.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cfsa.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/cfsa/publication/attachments/Investigations-POM_0.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiqvMv-76D0AhWcj3IEHbj6DKQQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3CoRuKQB7Io3qTKUY_L0TH

Again OP get a lawyer.

PP, you missed the paragraph before it said it was "unacceptable". Cultural considerations will be honored. Basically, this may mean counseling to the family that it's unacceptable in America. No one needs a lawyer. If worried, maybe a family lawyer pro bono.

A culturally sensitive CPS assessment recognizes that caregiver practices and family structures vary as the
result of ethnic, community, and familial differences. This range can result in different but safe and
adequate care for children within the parameters of the law. The CPS assessment process must
acknowledge, respect, and honor the diversity of families. Simultaneously, CPS is obliged to protect
children from cultural practices that fall under the definitions of abuse and neglect.

We need to be more aware of cultural differences. I go to acupuncture every week and my neurologist referred me to it. They do cupping. It helps. Without a reference on the age that it suddenly becomes culturally acceptable, the judgements get into a gray area.

The daycare did the right thing. Here's hoping CPS does too. They have their hands full with actual abuse in DC. The family will need to stop their practice of cupping/coining/whatever while the kids are little. If this is how you were taught to help your children feel better and you have it done to yourself too, where is the empathy here?

And how many of your children are boys and circumcised? Let's put this into perspective. Some things are culturally acceptable here which are brutal. Because you have never heard of cupping or value it, doesn't mean that it's not widely acceptable and not done in an abusive manner.

Wow, reading comprehension fail. For the folks in the back, here's the entire section. It is saying that there are considerations for a culturally sensitive assessment, BUT there are simultaneously practices that fall under the definitions of abuse and neglect. And coining is the FIRST example, followed by cupping and FGM. See the use of "medicinal" and "therapeutic"? CFSA knows why OP did it, but they consider it abuse and neglect anyways. This is the end of the conversation. OP needs to protect herself and her family by stopping this practice while she's living in the District and getting a lawyer BEFORE she says anything else to her doctor or CFSA.




CULTURAL AND LANGUAGE CONSIDERATIONS

With every CPS investigation and assessment, a person’s history and culture may affect certain areas. As a CPS social worker, it is important that you gain an understanding of each family’s culture. You must also recognize that a given culture cannot be defined simply as a static bundle of fixed traits. The following questions may be used as part of the assessment to guide your understanding of cultural differences:

 What roles do males and females play in the family?
 What is the role of religion for the family?
 How do the family’s beliefs influence child-rearing practices?
 What is the meaning, identity, and involvement of the larger homogeneous group (e.g., race and nationality)?
 What family rituals, traditions, and behaviors exist?
 What is the usual role of children in the family?
 What is the perception of the role of children in society?
 What types of discipline does the family consider to be appropriate?
 What are the family’s attitudes or beliefs regarding health care?
 What are the family’s sexual attitudes and values?
 Who is assigned authority and power of decision making?
 What tasks are assigned based on traditional roles in the family?
 What are the communication styles in the family?
 How does the family solve problems? Deal with conflicts?

A culturally sensitive CPS assessment recognizes that caregiver practices and family structures vary as the result of ethnic, community, and familial differences. This range can result in different but safe and adequate care for children within the parameters of the law. The CPS assessment process must acknowledge, respect, and honor the diversity of families. Simultaneously, CPS is obliged to protect children from cultural practices that fall under the definitions of abuse and neglect.

The following examples, which are not exhaustive of cultural practices, are considered unacceptable:

 Coining- a” medicinal” folk practice that involves the rubbing of heated oil on the skin, most commonly on the chest, back, or shoulders, and then vigorously rubbing a coin over the area in a linear fashion until a red mark is seen.
 Cupping (or cupping method) - a “therapeutic” method involving the application of suction by placing a vacuumized (usually by fire) cup or jar onto the affected or any part of the body surface.
 Female Circumcision (or female genital mutilation [FGM])-this practice comprises all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

Stick to the topic. If OP has not come back, its probably fake. If CPS has not come out and its been a few days, they aren't too worried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the first time ever I got reported to child protection service in Montgomery county from a daycare. I have a few children. I don't want to reveal too much details in case I am not supposed to ask/share on this forum or affect possible investigation. What happens is daycare did their due responsibilities and called CPS because they saw deep purple bruises on my child's body part. And, I left a note in his backpack upon dropoff that it was a cultural thing that's for good health (look terrible but actually painless), and my child is fine. I swear it is not physical abuse and I love my child to death. The reason I knew because daycare notified me about that. I called DH to tell him about that, and he is not worried at all. I am really worried about it. What will I expect? Are they planning to do home visit, call pediatrician or asking me to get my child checked out, or nothing will happen? Anyone has gone through that before?

1. Good for your daycare.
2. I've never in life received a deep purple bruise painlessly.

Never had a hickey?

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All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

This ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

This ridiculous.

Drugging kids with melatonin can be abusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

This ridiculous.

Drugging kids with melatonin can be abusive.

Giving Tylenol and antibiotics for an infection are not abusive. Giving melanatonin in the doses recommended is NOT abusive. You are ridiculous. Homeopathic cough meds are usually honey or elderberry syrup. Completely harmless. You are out of your mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

This ridiculous.

Drugging kids with melatonin can be abusive.

Giving Tylenol and antibiotics for an infection are not abusive. Giving melanatonin in the doses recommended is NOT abusive. You are ridiculous. Homeopathic cough meds are usually honey or elderberry syrup. Completely harmless. You are out of your mind.

Some of the homeopathic are not harmless.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hundreds-of-babies-harmed-by-homeopathic-remedies-families-say/

https://www.medicinenet.com/why_you_shouldnt_give_your_child_melatonin/article.htm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was investigated for “slapping”. It was a very light slap on the back of the head.
My kid made drama out of it and it was reported. He behaved like a brat which warranted the slap. I should have been more patient but he is bratty, very bratty. So it’s hard.
They investigated and said inconclusive.
Most likely they will say the same about you. They will want to talk to the child alone.
I think some reporters report every little thing and that’s unfortunate

No it didn't. No amount of brattiness "warrants" a slap. At age 46 I still need follow up treatment (dental) from a slap I "deserved" at age 13.

This must have been a very hard slap. Not a “light slap on the back of the head”. I am sorry it happened to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

Yes, yes I do think Tylenol is better than bruising a child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

Yes, yes I do think Tylenol is better than bruising a child.

Coining is pretty obviously dumb, but NSAIDs are way more dangerous than is typically understood.

My old EMT manual presented both cupping and coining as not something that should trigger a child abuse report. Maybe things have changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the this is abuse posters - do you think the medicines you give your kids constantly, tylenol for a mild temperature, antibiotics regularly, homeopathic cough medicine (total bs), melatonin to get Larla to sleep are better? They are accepted in our culture but pretty gross.

Yes, yes I do think Tylenol is better than bruising a child.

Coining is pretty obviously dumb, but NSAIDs are way more dangerous than is typically understood.

My old EMT manual presented both cupping and coining as not something that should trigger a child abuse report. Maybe things have changed.

Politics on reporting have changed. That's what has changed.
And Tylenol is NOT an NSAID. I couldn't let that go. It's not. Advil, Aleve, Midol - NSAIDS.
Melatonin abusive? Okay, now we've gone off the deep end. I think it's abusive to give Larla gluten-free mac and cheese when clearly Kraft exists. Gluten-free is damaging to her taste buds.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know what coining is, and not weighing in with any opinion — just struck me as interesting that DC CPS considers it unacceptable in the same bulleted list as FGM…and Stanford Medicine says “This practice has been misidentified as child abuse in case reports.”

https://childabuse.stanford.edu/faq.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd report you, too, considering how abusive some cultures are to children.

Yeah just because it’s common in another culture doesn’t mean it’s acceptable or valid or good for children.

Cupping is no more “abusive” than ear piercing if done in a mainstream and normal way.

But ear piercings lead to something desireable. Cupping is quackery and serves no purpose See wikipedia.

If you feel that way, I advise you not to go to any of the big local swim meets - -lots of children with cupping marks trying to be the next Phelps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd report you, too, considering how abusive some cultures are to children.

Yeah just because it’s common in another culture doesn’t mean it’s acceptable or valid or good for children.

Cupping is no more “abusive” than ear piercing if done in a mainstream and normal way.

But ear piercings lead to something desireable. Cupping is quackery and serves no purpose See wikipedia.

If you feel that way, I advise you not to go to any of the big local swim meets - -lots of children with cupping marks trying to be the next Phelps.

You are talking about older kids, usually teens. Cupping works. I liked it but it wasn't worth the cost and I didn't want to try it at home with the glass cups/lighting them to make them work. They are understanding what they are getting into. We got to meets and I don't see any preteens with cupping marks. Its fine for teens. OP is talking about a preschooler.

Look, OP hasn't come back. Either this is a fake post or it was screened out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know what coining is, and not weighing in with any opinion — just struck me as interesting that DC CPS considers it unacceptable in the same bulleted list as FGM…and Stanford Medicine says “This practice has been misidentified as child abuse in case reports.”

https://childabuse.stanford.edu/faq.html

I saw that link along with some others that had the same language--verbatim--which led me to think they all pulled from the same source.

I had vaguely heard of this stuff but was not knowledgeable, looking it up (as well as images on Google) seems to me like it is not necessarily dangerous or abusive BUT can be.

Here's more: https://champprogram.com/question/22a.shtml

the marks are called purpura and are not bruises (after I looked up the difference).

Purpura consists of red or purple lesions that are similar to bruises, in that they are blood added to the skin tissues. However, purpura spots are not the result of blunt force trauma.

Basically what happens is there are broken blood vessels in/under the skin as opposed to force to deeper tissues. And the presence of blood in/under the skin does not necessarily equate to pain.