Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:So we're back to cherrypicking 10 or 11 criminals out of the tens of thousands rounded up.

Where to even start with the logical and rhetorical fallacies?

- fallacy of cherrypicking, fallacy of selective evidence, anecdotes are not data...

- fallacy of hasty generalization, drawing broad, sweeping conclusions based on a small and likely unrepresentative sample

- fallacy of guilt by association, asserting that an entire group is guilty, that they are all dangerous, violent criminals because they were swept up with a few who are

- fallacy of appeal to fear (argumentum ad Metum), attempting to sway opinion through fear and exaggerating threats

These are classic, well known propaganda tactics frequently used throughout history to dehumanize and vilify entire large groups by highlighting and amplifying isolated individuals and incidents.

I don't think anyone here is opposed to locking up or deporting individuals who are actual dangerous, violent criminals. But what we should ALL oppose is the poster above's dishonest tactics of fear mongering and vilifying broad swaths and entire groups.

Clearly, the sanctuary jurisdictions are against it. Some of these criminals have lengthy rap sheets and they are still walking the streets.
So, while these are anecdotes.... there are HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of them out there.

You are still flailing, leaning into fallacies, propaganda and fearmongering. You have no evidence that there are "hundreds of thousands" of murderers and rapists and cannibals or even dogs-and-cats eaters.

Judging from the number of criminal illegal aliens already arrested by ICE in places like Fairfax County, Boston, LA, NY, and other sanctuary jurisdictions, I would say hundred or thousands of criminal aliens is an underestimate. They have arrested around 2800 just in LA.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-07-08/federal-arrests-in-la-are-accelerating-homeland-security

And, then there is VA....
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/virginia-immigration-arrests.html
Virginia Has Become a Hotbed for Immigration Arrests
Nearly 3,000 people were arrested by ICE in Virginia in the first five months of 2025, on par with numbers in a much larger state like New York.
The majority of ICE arrests have taken place in the Northern Virginia suburbs or in the Richmond metropolitan area. Roughly twice as many arrests have taken place in Fairfax County — the wealthy, densely populated and strongly Democratic county outside Washington — than in any other county in Virginia.

And, as of June 2 they have made 1500 arrests in Massachusetts.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-federal-partners-arrest-nearly-1500-illegal-aliens-massachusetts-during
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and federal law enforcement partners apprehended almost 1,500 illegal aliens during a monthlong enforcement operation focusing on transnational organized crime, gangs and egregious illegal alien offenders throughout the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. During the enhanced operation, named Operation Patriot, officers from ICE Boston partnered with the FBI, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the ATF, the U.S. Department of State’s Diplomatic Security Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and the U.S. Coast Guard to arrest 1,461 illegal alien offenders throughout the month of May.

And, in NY..
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-law-enforcement-partners-arrest-more-200-alien-offenders-during-enhanced
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-federal-partners-arrest-133-alien-offenders-during-enhanced-operation-new-york
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-more-80-during-5-day-enforcement-action-new-york-city-hudson-valley-and

Glossing over critical details... "arrests" as stated in your articles does not equal arrests of violent criminal murderers, rapists and cannibals. You continue in your dishonest tactics.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

This is where I call bullshit. Thanks to the sanctuary cities and states in Democratically-run areas, some of these predators have been free to walk the streets and prey on US citizens. Many of these criminals have committed crimes in the cities in which they are seeking refuge and are simply released again and again. So, your argument fails spectacularly.

Your post tells me you don’t understand what sanctuary cities are. Learn something before passing judgement. Also don’t let Fox News define it for you either because that a blind leading the blind situation. I know MAGA is steeped in stupidity and lies but honestly try something new for a change.

Ya know... I don't give a damn about how sanctuary cities/states define "sanctuary." The reality is that these cities and states have a slew of illegal alien criminals living freely in their jurisdictions. And, many of them have rap sheets that are quite lengthy. Don't believe me?
This is one right here in your hood.

Gotta be honest, in my hood Trump and Musk have done waaaaaaaaaay more damage economically and socially than any Hispanic person I have ever met. They have broadly hit our area with unemployment, horrible working conditions and crappy traffic that affect EVERYONE.

-Fairfax resident

Awww...look at you trying to divert attention from the crap going on in your community.
Just a bit of history on the guy pictured above......

Between Feb. 20, 2020, and May 8, 2025, Fairfax County Police arrested Santos-Santos at least 30 times and charged him with crimes including assault and battery, drug possession, drug possession with intent to distribute, burglary, theft, larceny, trespassing, property damage, obstruction of justice, attempting to flee police, failure to appear and violating court orders.

I'm thinking if he were to burglarize your home, you would be the first to whine about why he hadn't already been locked up.

And, he is not the only one. Here are just a few more:

(1/11) 🧵New York Times *wonders* why Virginia is the epicenter of ICE enforcement
➡️Let's show them =10 Illegal Alien Crimes in NoVA in last 12mos⤵️
-Murder & fatal carjacking
-Rape & Child Rape
-Att Murder x2
-Strangulation
-child kidnapping
-indecent exposure
-child abuse

What was that the Epstein file?

Sounds like a bad guy, but again, it isn’t hard hitting our economy or crumbling science or ruining the future of our county as an economic powerhouse by killing innovation (grants) and crippling our ability to access new energy resources.

It is a bigger evil than that guy right here in my “hood”

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently migrant farm workers are back on the deportation list--no special status for them, despite Trump saying several times that something would be worked out so that farmers wouldn't be affected.

Who will replace them you might ask? Robots and people on Medicaid, according to Brooke Rollins, Sec. of Agriculture.

Rollins is an amnesty supporter.
No amnesty here is the Pence touchback proposal.
The illegal immigrants leaves, then comes back on a guestworker visa.

An illegal immigrant comes over to work. He gets a woman pregnant. Who pays for the birth delivery? Not them. Now the baby is a citizen. Immediately on welfare. Multiply this by 50 million times and you see the problem.

The U.S.-born children are eligible for federal welfare programs including SNAP (food stamps), Medicaid, TANF, WIC, and housing subsidies.

We should not give guest worker visas to any women of childbearing age.

Here you go, coming out the woodworks with your pre-ordered red handmaid’s dress, bringing a machete to the surgical table without washing the blood off your hands from your last great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:So we're back to cherrypicking 10 or 11 criminals out of the tens of thousands rounded up.

Where to even start with the logical and rhetorical fallacies?

- fallacy of cherrypicking, fallacy of selective evidence, anecdotes are not data...

- fallacy of hasty generalization, drawing broad, sweeping conclusions based on a small and likely unrepresentative sample

- fallacy of guilt by association, asserting that an entire group is guilty, that they are all dangerous, violent criminals because they were swept up with a few who are

- fallacy of appeal to fear (argumentum ad Metum), attempting to sway opinion through fear and exaggerating threats

These are classic, well known propaganda tactics frequently used throughout history to dehumanize and vilify entire large groups by highlighting and amplifying isolated individuals and incidents.

I don't think anyone here is opposed to locking up or deporting individuals who are actual dangerous, violent criminals. But what we should ALL oppose is the poster above's dishonest tactics of fear mongering and vilifying broad swaths and entire groups.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:So we're back to cherrypicking 10 or 11 criminals out of the tens of thousands rounded up.

Where to even start with the logical and rhetorical fallacies?

- fallacy of cherrypicking, fallacy of selective evidence, anecdotes are not data...

- fallacy of hasty generalization, drawing broad, sweeping conclusions based on a small and likely unrepresentative sample

- fallacy of guilt by association, asserting that an entire group is guilty, that they are all dangerous, violent criminals because they were swept up with a few who are

- fallacy of appeal to fear (argumentum ad Metum), attempting to sway opinion through fear and exaggerating threats

These are classic, well known propaganda tactics frequently used throughout history to dehumanize and vilify entire large groups by highlighting and amplifying isolated individuals and incidents.

I don't think anyone here is opposed to locking up or deporting individuals who are actual dangerous, violent criminals. But what we should ALL oppose is the poster above's dishonest tactics of fear mongering and vilifying broad swaths and entire groups.

That’s where you are wrong. Anyone here illegally needs to be rounded up and deported. Sure, get the violent ones, but if others are caught in the blast radius, more power to ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

This is where I call bullshit. Thanks to the sanctuary cities and states in Democratically-run areas, some of these predators have been free to walk the streets and prey on US citizens. Many of these criminals have committed crimes in the cities in which they are seeking refuge and are simply released again and again. So, your argument fails spectacularly.

The per capita crime rate in red areas is significantly higher than in blue areas. Fact.
Also fact, immigrants, legal or otherwise, commit crimes at a much lower rate than natural born Americans.

So while there are anecdotal cases of bad people here illegally doing bad things, on net, your assertion is false. So YOUR argument fails even more spectacularly.

That’a not what the Rockville, MD in MoCo sees or cites at all. Go hang out in the courthouse and see for yourself PP. See who the defendants are. And again, bring your translator.

The court rooms are packed with Hispanics because that’s who cops target.

Growing up in Rockville, I was ticketed for minor infractions (like driving 5 miles over the speed limit or driving with recently expired tags that were lost in the mail). My white friends were shocked that I was ticketed instead of just getting a warning. When I went to court I wasn’t surprised that most of the defendants were people of color. Those are the folks that cops target.

Rockville court is for grand jury duty and trials of misdemeanors and felonies. Traffic court is something else. Gang crime and recruitment on illegals is a big theme. So is vehicular manslaughter. And rape. And auto theft. And ID theft. And counterfeit money.

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Anonymous wrote:What is due process for illegal immigrants?


They can file for a hearing in immigration court, seeking asylum, withholding of removal, or convention against torture protection.

However, if they have arrived within the last two years, they qualify for expedited removal, and the due process is much less.

First they walk across 3-5 countries and then claim they will only do asylum in America!

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Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

This is where I call bullshit. Thanks to the sanctuary cities and states in Democratically-run areas, some of these predators have been free to walk the streets and prey on US citizens. Many of these criminals have committed crimes in the cities in which they are seeking refuge and are simply released again and again. So, your argument fails spectacularly.

Your post tells me you don’t understand what sanctuary cities are. Learn something before passing judgement. Also don’t let Fox News define it for you either because that a blind leading the blind situation. I know MAGA is steeped in stupidity and lies but honestly try something new for a change.

Ya know... I don't give a damn about how sanctuary cities/states define "sanctuary." The reality is that these cities and states have a slew of illegal alien criminals living freely in their jurisdictions. And, many of them have rap sheets that are quite lengthy. Don't believe me?
This is one right here in your hood.

You couldn't define it and gave a lame, pathetic and unacceptable excuse for why you couldn't. The reality is that there isn't really a definition, its mostly just a term that the right wing throws around, but which for the most part basically just refers to the fact that they are mad that cities arent doing ICEs job for them, beginning with the fact that they dont have jurisdiction over immigration matters, they arent funded by ICE to support them, and so on.

Ha ha.
They call themselves sanctuary cities. This is not a name the right wing has given them.

Whatever CASA de Maryland calls it, so do I.

[Anonymous]

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DACA recipients are not here legally.

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DACA recipients are not here legally.

Technically, they are here legally as they are allowed to renew their status every two years. They're not citizens or Green Card holders but they were allowed to stay under the Dream Act. Their status may be abolished by the current administration, but until then they're legal.

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The article doesn’t say citation it says driving with a suspended license. However, conveniently the attorney never names the person so we have no way of knowing what the actual charges and/or convictions are.

[Anonymous]

I look forward to the day when administration officials are held accountable for their crimes. Hope Steven Miller serves time. What a despicable human being.

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Anonymous wrote:I look forward to the day when administration officials are held accountable for their crimes. Hope Steven Miller serves time. What a despicable human being.

I look forward to the day when Democrats become the party of labor again and start helping US workers first ,before importing cheap desperate labor .

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Anonymous wrote:I look forward to the day when administration officials are held accountable for their crimes. Hope Steven Miller serves time. What a despicable human being.

I look forward to the day when Democrats become the party of labor again and start helping US workers first ,before importing cheap desperate labor .

To be fair, they only did that for the companies and jobs that can’t be transferred to another county. For example, hospitality and farming. The rest of the companies who need labor outsourced. That wasn’t because the Dems weren’t helping workings, it was because money means more to companies than people.