DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

Because the choices on boys and girls sides are very different. BECNL would be a poor substitute for BDA, while GDA and GECNL are more comparable in terms of level of play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

Disagree. The clubs cannot control that the boys DA may provide better competition on the boys side and the ECNL may provide better competition on the girls side. The players pick what clubs they will pursue and the clubs cannot control that. The clubs just try to compete for players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is 2018. If someone wants to post crap about moms and not get any push back, they need to find a different forum.

Not OP..., but

You're displaying bizarre behavior that has taken over the conversation on a forum that has nothing to do with your agenda.

The protestor tactic of screaming and stomping your fight until you get your way doesn't always work. Especially when the OP never said what you are claiming. Please, move on. Life is too short for this Nonsense.

Back to the subject at hand

+1!

These over reactions can derail the whole discussion. Enough. To change the subject, I want to admit I was a big fan of GDA when it first came out but after a year thinking about it for my rising U12 DD I keep having thoughts like the ones in this article:

https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/77603/us-soccer-blundered-badly-on-high-school-soccer.html

It doesn't feel like a slam dunk anymore. No agenda here but I wish I could get more excited about GDA in a year. I feel like if she joins that type of team then will be hard to later exit those friends so she can play in high school. Taking away the high school ban seems to be the biggest focus.

Orrrrrrr, you worry about HS soccer when the kid is in HS?

Do you wait until the HS senior year to worry about college soccer? Give me a break. I am not "worried" about it, a lot could change but definitely paying attention to it all just like you and my point is I agree with some of the article. Sheesh.

What is there to pay attention to? If you are worried about being able to make a HS team then DA or ECNL are not in the cards anyway.

How about this, you go and actually watch a HS game and determine if the environment is something you'd really want your kid playing in first.

HS sports for girls are not the same school spirit, rah, rah, rah of boys sports. The stands are empty and the school student body usually doesn't care that much.

Again not "worried" and have seen many different HS games and they were fun to watch and the players love it. We know many HS players. Agree, that girls is less full then boys, but I don't share your opinion on the rest. I am also not alone or this wouldn't be such a big deal nationwide. It does not make much sense to trivialize it. I wonder if USSDA will entrench or budge a little before it becomes an issue for us. I am hoping now they change their mind whereas a year ago I didn't?. Simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

Because the choices on boys and girls sides are very different. BECNL would be a poor substitute for BDA, while GDA and GECNL are more comparable in terms of level of play.

So your argument is that the boys are victims and must suffer in BDA because there is no alternative league, such as Boy ECNL, that can meet their developmental needs? Do boys not dream to play HS ball?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

Because the choices on boys and girls sides are very different. BECNL would be a poor substitute for BDA, while GDA and GECNL are more comparable in terms of level of play.

So your argument is that the boys are victims and must suffer in BDA because there is no alternative league, such as Boy ECNL, that can meet their developmental needs? Do boys not dream to play HS ball?

Is the boys ECNL a true alternative? Is is competitive like the BDA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

Boys ECNL is like Girls DA - new, unproven, filled with mostly weaker teams and attempting to establish itself against the entrenched other league. They will gain traction over time, but its unlikely they will become the dominant league in the short to mid run - say 5+ years. (FCV and Spirit GDA parents will now start losing their minds with this "absurd assertion" and commence with superiority and inevitability babble on this board as seen through the last 82 pages of it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

Dude, BS

The mouthpieces for the clubs leaving GDA said that the platform (DA) is to restrictive so the are opting out for ECNL. They said the restrictions go against their core beliefs as a club .

Yet...it doesn't go against their core values for Boys.

VDA:

As a result of this decision, VDA has notified U.S. Soccer that it will not renew its membership into the girls’ Development Academy for 2018-19, but is fully committed to complete the 2017-18 season, including all league games and showcase events. VDA remains committed to the boys’ DA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

Dude, BS

The mouthpieces for the clubs leaving GDA said that the platform (DA) is to restrictive so the are opting out for ECNL. They said the restrictions go against their core beliefs as a club .

Yet...it doesn't go against their core values for Boys.

VDA:

As a result of this decision, VDA has notified U.S. Soccer that it will not renew its membership into the girls’ Development Academy for 2018-19, but is fully committed to complete the 2017-18 season, including all league games and showcase events. VDA remains committed to the boys’ DA

You need to differentiate between marketing blabber and reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

Boys ECNL is like Girls DA - new, unproven, filled with mostly weaker teams and attempting to establish itself against the entrenched other league. They will gain traction over time, but its unlikely they will become the dominant league in the short to mid run - say 5+ years. (FCV and Spirit GDA parents will now start losing their minds with this "absurd assertion" and commence with superiority and inevitability babble on this board as seen through the last 82 pages of it).

The biggest and best clubs in the nation went to GDA. That is undisputable. ECNL took a severe beating. Adding trash clubs to fill their ranks. You are so dillusion. ECNL supporter no doubt. You are unable to disprove what I just wrote because it's facts

[Anonymous]

PDA is not a trash club. But there are many excellent clubs in the GDA.

[Anonymous]

The mouthpieces for the clubs leaving GDA said that the platform (DA) is to restrictive so the are opting out for ECNL. They said the restrictions go against their core beliefs as a club .

Yet...it doesn't go against their core values for Boys.

It does go against their core values for boys. However there is no alternative so they suck it up. It's not religion, it's reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA is right for for boys.
ECNL is wrong for boys

Yet

DA is wrong fit for girls
ECNL is right for girls


This is what these dopes say and people find them credible. Nobody scratching their heads and calling them out on this?

I say the clubs should be forced to choice DA or ECNL across the board. Pick a format they believe in. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander...no?

Are we talking about the funded boys DA or the pay to play boys DA? Only the pay to play is analogous to the girls situation.

Fully funded DA is the same platform as p2p DA

But it is not the same customers.

Doesn't matter. If it's a good platform for the boys then it's good for the girls. The hyprocisy is there for all to see.

No, it really isn't. For an elite level girl, there's a real choice to make between ECNL or DA. Competitively they are at a comparable level. One could reasonably debate, depending on the geographic area, whether the girls ECNL clubs or girls DA clubs are stronger. Both will pretty much guarantee the players will get exposed to college scouts. Again, there could be a reasonable debate about which is better, and by how much, but both will get you there.

For an elite level boy, the calculus is completely different. Yes, it's true that ECNL is a national league, but there is no denying that it is at a completely different level than the boys DA.

There is no debate about this.

It's not about preferring the structure or format. It's just about the level. The coaches at my son's DA club have some of the same complaints expressed by the clubs who have pulled their girls from the DA - especially about the no-reentry rule (which is completely asinine at U13-15). But, they have no realistic option. Pulling out of the DA to go to ECNL would be such a huge step down, there would be a mass exodus of talent. So they just suck it up and deal with it.

Boys ECNL is like Girls DA - new, unproven, filled with mostly weaker teams and attempting to establish itself against the entrenched other league. They will gain traction over time, but its unlikely they will become the dominant league in the short to mid run - say 5+ years. (FCV and Spirit GDA parents will now start losing their minds with this "absurd assertion" and commence with superiority and inevitability babble on this board as seen through the last 82 pages of it).

That is so far from being factually accurate, its laughable. Provide some data please where GDA is filled with weaker teams than Girls ECNL? Where is the data on that? That is comical. Also, I think boys ECNL will strengthen much faster than people expect as the BDA is doing all it can to alienate players such as tiering the Boys DA to MLS and non-MLS.