Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up low income. There was a woman who spoke who grew up low income. I agree with what she said... having your neighborhood within a walking distance ES , or at least as close as possible, is extremely important as well. Parents don't have the means or time to pickup the child for after school activities and such. If the parents don't have their own transportation, it will be much more difficult for the parent to pick up a sick child.

I do understand about the "magic" FARMs number, but people shouldn't discount the hardship for low income families having to live further away from their ES, either.

I also want to point out that there are FARMs kids in RP5, too, though I don't know how many there are. I know it's not that big, but what about them in terms of the extra commute time, even if it is a few minutes. If they rely on before/after care, they will have to spend that much more time and money (on gas) to go a bit further out, too. It's not like ES#5 is on everyone's way to work. Some people may have to backtrack.

It sucks for anyone who has a longer commute because of the move.

It's a matter of proximity vs. concentration of FARMS students. Proximity is important, but achieving education goals should trump it. RP2 already goes to RPES, so the parents are integrated in that community and have things figured out. The woman who spoke at the boundary meeting said she wanted to give a voice to a few families who were in front holding signs saying that they want to stay at RPES.

If you only focus on proximity then that will always result in concentrating FARMs in one and not having in another. Whole point of this debate is to not focus solely on proximity to avoid segregation.

C exclusively focuses on FARMs at expense of proximity - Bad option

D keeps a balance for proximity and FARMs - Difficuolt due to TB

E leans towards proximity and does some job of FARMs diversity. - Not ideal, but a decent option

Are we now saying that let's focus only on proximity and just forget about FARMs diversity? Option A and B only focuses on proximity. Proximity is a important factor and ideally if TB was not facing trouble, option D does the best job of balancing proximity and FARMs diversity. Hopefully, BOE can fund some program for Twinbrook and go with option D.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of "it's fine for your kids but not mine" going on.

People who think it's ok to bus kids all over (RP5 to #5), but if it was his/her own kids, that same person would be raising hell.

King farm parent who wants CG3 to leave. I'd guess if king farm was slated to move, the KF association would have mobilized and raised hell.

It is a two minute difference for RP5. B7 has a bigger increase in travel time and the same bus time overall from moving to the new school. We have not heard a peep from them. It is a ridiculous argument.

i wish people would stop saying that it’s a 2 min difference. that is under ideal conditions

I just drove the route from Falls Road to RM ES 5 under ideal conditions (sunny, no traffic). I only hit 1 red light out of 5 possible lights. It was an additional 4 min 40 seconds. Under ideal conditions. It will be at least am extra 10 minutes on weekday mornings with traffic - on top of the 10-15 minutes it would take to get to the intersection of Wootton & Falls from Fallsgrove. Total traffic commute time = 25 min on the bus each morning.

You should tell Google to correct its data. In ideal conditions they predict 10 vs 12 minutes. In heavy traffic they predict 24 vs 26 minutes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I love how you keep insisting that an argument you disagree about is debunked. That must make it true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I love how you keep insisting that an argument you disagree about is debunked. That must make it true.

The math makes it true, not what I say

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I love how you keep insisting that an argument you disagree about is debunked. That must make it true.

And I like how you insist that the FARMS rate predicted for the whole school is representative for the regular classes. What is your estimate for the effective FARMS rate for regular classes at RMES5?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

She made a point that not using RP for FARMS kids means we are using one less elementary to help FARMs. RP is positioned with 20% FARMs to help as many FARMS kids RP can help. That way other schools can help other FARMs kids.

I am really shocked by intelligence of many posters here.

[Anonymous]

Hmm. If only we could figure a way to get RP2 to Twinbrook. That would actually be ideal because I hear they benefit more at 70 percent farms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I love how you keep insisting that an argument you disagree about is debunked. That must make it true.

If you don't understand math at this basic level, I ask myself who should be called idiot in this discussion. I am sure is not the RP2 woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. If only we could figure a way to get RP2 to Twinbrook. That would actually be ideal because I hear they benefit more at 70 percent farms.

They benefit at 70 due to getting title 1 funding, but they are already at 70 in many options. They don't need to have more FARMs to go over 70.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. If only we could figure a way to get RP2 to Twinbrook. That would actually be ideal because I hear they benefit more at 70 percent farms.

I understand your concern, I am sure it comes directly from your heart. First of all, Twinbrook is slightly over capacity. Second of all, RP2 would be better served by RPES. Science says so. Is there anything else you can think of to keep RPES at 7%?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

She made a point that not using RP for FARMS kids means we are using one less elementary to help FARMs. RP is positioned with 20% FARMs to help as many FARMS kids RP can help. That way other schools can help other FARMs kids.

I am really shocked by intelligence of many posters here.

I couldn't attend, but watched it from home. Standing ovation was needed for the point she made.

RP2 speaker was the only person who put FARMs kids well being for entire county without any selfish reason and also backed up with documented research done within MCPS. I read the entire research and fully convinced that not paying attention to what she is saying is a huge mistake. Everyone should take some time to understand what she was saying and not simply cherypick to score points. She is talking about a much bigger issue than simply what we are facing in RM cluster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I love how you keep insisting that an argument you disagree about is debunked. That must make it true.

If you don't understand math at this basic level, I ask myself who should be called idiot in this discussion. I am sure is not the RP2 woman.

No math calculations are even needed. You must make an argument about the nature of the “big difference” in a few percentage points that justifies the gerrymandering. As has been pointed out, the study cited talked about integrated affordable housing producing better balance and housing stability which particularly helps where Farms is below 20 percent, which is not on the table for RP2 under any scenario.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm. If only we could figure a way to get RP2 to Twinbrook. That would actually be ideal because I hear they benefit more at 70 percent farms.

They benefit at 70 due to getting title 1 funding, but they are already at 70 in many options. They don't need to have more FARMs to go over 70.

We could help hungerford get to title 1 status too so they have additional resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP.. you are pointing out one vocal person from RP2 who wants to stay in RP for the benefit of FARMs kids. I'm not even sure her kids are on FARMs, but how do those people who are FARMs families feel?

She wasn't vocal, she was quite emotional. Look at the video and you will see. She was speaking on behalf of a few families who were sitting in front with signs saying that they want to go to RPES. She did her research and her speech was very eloquent. She was called an idiot on this board by RP parents who did not agree that RP2 should stay in RPES.

She was called an "idiot" simply because she stated that FARMs kids would be better served at a school with 24% vs 26%. It's a 2% difference scattered by grade. I wasn't one who called her that, but that was the point some people were making.

Because people keep "forgetting" that the FARMS rate in RMES5 regular classes is going to be 32%. I am sure you also saw these numbers over and over on this board, but - very conveniently - keep pushing a debunked argument. There is a big difference between 24% and 32%. That 32% would be 38.5% in Option A.

I'm a bit confused. What FARMs rate exactly was incorrect in the previous options? I thought one of the incorrect FARMs rate was ES#5, but what exactly was incorrect about it?