Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is either someone foreign who comes from a country where kidnapping and ransom is more common or someone mentally ill enough to think he would get away with this.

Yes, this seems likely. Tucson is like 30 minutes from Mexico where I personally know people who have been kidnapped.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in the Find Nancy Guthrie Facebook group says they contacted the FBI about a neighbor’s adult son with a lengthy criminal history, including assault and kidnapping-related offenses, who reportedly lives a few doors from Nancy Guthrie’s home, urging investigators to look into him.

I said this in the first few pages.

I said it’s gonna be a failure to launch kid who’s living with their parents. Someone who has a special-needs child freaked out because they don’t understand that that’s not failure to lunch.

It’s gonna be the son of one of the neighbors who has a criminal history who’s living with them.

I do hope you'll come back often and crow about how you solved it in the first few minutes. This is not a competition.

I'm certain LE has considered every person despite not having you directly on the case, Cagney.

It's Lacey! Get it right

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So clearly planned. Though he had to use the flowers to hide the camera?

Had gun; face mask and gloves. And backpack. Definitely planned out.
Alone?

Why? Not for money, right? To scare SG? Why? If not for ransom, what is it all for?

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

NP, but you seem to underestimate how much some elderly people cherish their independence. They do NOT want to rely on others for rides. If they can't drive, they want to get a cab or an uber or take public transport (shudder. count your lucky stars if your parent doesnt insist on this like my 81 year old mother with balance issues does). So yes. If I invite my mom over for dinner and say "I'LL PICK YOU UP ON MY WAY HOME FROM WORK!" she will say equally forcefully "NO THAT'S OK YOU ARE SO BUSY! I WILL TAKE THE BUS!" and I will say "if you take the bus, mom, I'm going to have a stroke and not be able to cook you dinner." and she'll say "fine, then I'll take an uber!" she is so proud of herself for knowing how to use the app and loves the freedom it gives her to go wherever she wants whenever she wants.

This is my 87 yo mom 100 percent. And this is us guilty her with saying we’re gonna have a heart attack if she doesn’t let us do things for her. It usually doesn’t work. Although she’ll do some adjustment to make us feel good.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is either someone foreign who comes from a country where kidnapping and ransom is more common or someone mentally ill enough to think he would get away with this.

Yes, this seems likely. Tucson is like 30 minutes from Mexico where I personally know people who have been kidnapped.

Its' 60 miles to Nogales.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of distinctive things here-the jacket. The pants look white. Distinctive build, (eyes and mouth) as I said before and the way the person stands. Also, the moustache is dark (SIL's is salt and pepper, mostly pepper). Hopefully they already have looked at everyone who worked there regularly and even just once within the past year and the neighbors. Might be someone associated with a worker. Even with the mask, there is so much that stands out. I have a good feeling they will find out the person at least.

I hope they find this person quickly. That image is heart-stopping it's so terrifying. I cannot imagine what her kids are going through right now, and what she went through that night.

They are not finding this person quickly. Its been 10 days he's had to move/escape.

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Anonymous wrote:So clearly planned. Though he had to use the flowers to hide the camera?

Had gun; face mask and gloves. And backpack. Definitely planned out.
Alone?

Why? Not for money, right? To scare SG? Why? If not for ransom, what is it all for?

Doesn't appear to be a random kidnapping. Planned and coordinated.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is either someone foreign who comes from a country where kidnapping and ransom is more common or someone mentally ill enough to think he would get away with this.

Yes, this seems likely. Tucson is like 30 minutes from Mexico where I personally know people who have been kidnapped.

Okay, I looked and it's an hour, but it's still close.

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Anonymous wrote:How terrifying this is people’s nightmare scenario.

It's true. Security companies are going to make bank off of this.

It is just so unfortunate the system wasn’t fully functioning! I’m (admittedly) a bit paranoid and we live in an area that has had some issues with car break-ins/porch pirates so when we bought our house, we had a security system installed. I think we paid around $1000 for the equipment/install and pay $70 a month for monitoring: we have a video doorbell, floodlights with cameras on the front and back entrances, sensors on every door/window, and an alarm panel.

If God forbid someone came to my house in the middle of the night, I’d get 1) a time stamped notification/video of someone on my driveway, and the flood light would turn on 2) another time stamped notification/video of the person at my door, and 3) (if they did open the door/make entry), I’d get a time stamped notification of the door being opened and the alarm would sound summoning the police. Of course this can’t prevent everything but I don’t feel like we’re paying an unreasonable amount for this peace of mind, and the system is not hard to use or maintain.

One issue though is your security system can be used to spy on you. They are supposedly easy for a criminal to hack into.

As if I need more to worry about yes, I have heard that unfortunately but for me it’s all about pros and cons.

Not to freak you out but people have been using cheapie Wi-Fi jammers to disable doorbell cameras and WiFi enabled alarms so that is not foolproof. I think the floodlights would be a helpful deterrent though!

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Anonymous wrote:So clearly planned. Though he had to use the flowers to hide the camera?

Had gun; face mask and gloves. And backpack. Definitely planned out.
Alone?

Why? Not for money, right? To scare SG? Why? If not for ransom, what is it all for?

That seems like the scariest part.

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Anonymous wrote:Annie removed most of the photos of her husband from Facebook.

Annie is deeply into witchcraft per her books, fwiw.

Yes, and one of the poems was dark and disturbing. Starting with something about her not having a soul. Probably all of her poems are similar.

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This guy tried to use foilage to cover the camera. No expert here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is either someone foreign who comes from a country where kidnapping and ransom is more common or someone mentally ill enough to think he would get away with this.

Yes, this seems likely. Tucson is like 30 minutes from Mexico where I personally know people who have been kidnapped.

Okay, I looked and it's an hour, but it's still close.

And its been 10 days so it doesn't matter if its 30 0r 90 mins!

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Am I the only one who sees the sister’s eyes in the Nest footage?

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is either someone foreign who comes from a country where kidnapping and ransom is more common or someone mentally ill enough to think he would get away with this.

Yes, this seems likely. Tucson is like 30 minutes from Mexico where I personally know people who have been kidnapped.

Yes, A friend of mine grew up in Guatemala and she had armed guards there because she was a target due to her dad's line of work. I believe kidnapping is not so uncommon in Mexico either. I bet it's not someone who works for her, but possibly someone connected -the corrupt brother/friend/cousin who doesn't understand how hard it is to get away with this in the US. Here come people telling me I am racist. I just don't think it's rational for anyone who grew up here to think this is a way to make money unless the person is mentally ill so it's one or the other.