King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

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Anonymous wrote:Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

Distance.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

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No. Some Coates kids go to Herndon. Not a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

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Except for a small portion of Coates that goes to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

Distance.

Its closer in distance than other areas actually zoned to Westfield. Its closer than some of the Bull Run neighborhoods. If that's the only objection, its not valid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

Yes, its closer to CHS. So what? Its also one of the most logical choices to go to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

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No. Some Coates kids go to Herndon. Not a lot.

Actually, it’s more than you think. 190 students, which is just shy of 20%

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

If they also add in Poplar Tree, that would get their school back up into reasonable numbers territory (@400 more kids) and reduce overcrowding at CHS.

Moving Oak Hill will deal with the overcrowding at Chantilly, thanks.

Well, they won't need to move Oak Hill if they are moving Poplar Tree out.

Floris and Oak Hill are the two schools pretty much guaranteed to move to KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

Distance.

Its closer in distance than other areas actually zoned to Westfield. Its closer than some of the Bull Run neighborhoods. If that's the only objection, its not valid.

I know Thru doesn’t care, but aren’t there a lot of Chantilly walkers from Poplar Tree? Or do they not cross Stringfellow?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

Here's the elephant in the room. Kathy Smith lives in that neighborhood and purposely played games with the boundaries and used a bunch of poor kids to end up with a school almost entirely well-off. Look at the school profile, its absurd compared to nearby schools.

Moving that school zone to Westfield would balance out also moving in a school that is high FARMs (BRES) so Westfield doesn't end up a lot worse off than it started. And if FCPS has to find two schools to switch to Westfield, yes, it absolutely makes the most geographic sense. Anyone with eyes and a map can see that. But the Poplar Tree families will freak out and Kathy Smith will scream.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

Yes, its closer to CHS. So what? Its also one of the most logical choices to go to Westfield.

No. There are some schools that are not close to any high school. But, Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly and some of the neighborhood streets are VERY close.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand, why is the suggestion that Poplar Tree be moved to Westfield so outlandish that it would sink a real estate deal? They are right next to each other on the map, and Westfield needs more students. It does look closer than a lot of areas that would still be going to Westfield.

What am I missing?

Distance.

Its closer in distance than other areas actually zoned to Westfield. Its closer than some of the Bull Run neighborhoods. If that's the only objection, its not valid.

I know Thru doesn’t care, but aren’t there a lot of Chantilly walkers from Poplar Tree? Or do they not cross Stringfellow?

That's a long walk at 7 am but its technically possible.