Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

We don't know that they hadn't paid for it. We know really nothing about what happened before the video started other than the lawyer said the young men pushed it back in and relocked it. As someone else explained, you don't pay for a specific bike, you pay for a regular bike or an ebike and then when you get to the actual bike you are taking, you scan the QR code to register that specific bike to your account - but it is already paid for. They may have both already paid for an ebike and then that was the only ebike there and they had both paid for it and wanted what they had paid for. We don't know all the facts as there has been one brief lawyer statement about events that occured before filming started.

She has the receipt for that specific bike. She had already scanned the QR code. It was hers. When the guy got there he forced her to return the bike so he could take it.

Exactly. This is how these scams work. And she probably knew it.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

This wasn’t a disagreement. The guys forced the bike she was in back into the docking station. A bike she has proof she already rented. She was harassed and bullied. So no, those aren’t racist actions. They are normal pissed off actions.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the person who doxxed her is an influencer in Los Angeles who has doxxed people before. His Twitter account is suspended now, not sure about TikTok. The entire Twitter thread below is disturbing.

I appreciate that the twitter account owner exposing all this calls himself Leftism and his account reflects it. Disgust at this incident goes across the political spectrum.

- lefty

+1, I would like to see more people on the left speak up against this kind of behavior. Not just the doxxing, but posting videos like this with the express purpose of stirring up racial controversy, stirring up internet mobs into a frenzy over situations you don't understand, etc.

One thing this case has exposed for me is these social media grifters like @thatdaneshguy and Monique Judge who appear to be making a living off of stirring up outrage online and then posting/writing about. I guess if I ever thought too hard about it I might have recognized these people exist, but I'm not sufficiently "online" to haver realized it was a whole category of person/influencer. I'm going to be more educated about that going forward and when I do go on Twitter or other social media (including DCUM) I will be more careful about making sure I don't get pulled in by these people. I'm horrified by the damage they can do.

But I do wish we saw more people on the left speaking up on this case. I'm a little disappointed that her lawyer's one tv interview was on Fox -- I'm guessing they reached out to multiple venues and Fox was eager to have them on because they liked the angle ("accused Karen actually the victim") but since I'm genuinely convinced of the injustice in this case, I'd love it if more mainstream media and leftist/progressive sources were speaking up.

PP here. I stand corrected. Leftism is a conservative guy who "exposes leftists."

That's depressing. I agree with you, progressive social media and news stations should be covering the complete story. Their initial complicity followed by silence does, rightfully, alienate would-be progressives and allies. Already on this thread we saw one woman who said she was leaving the Dems to be independent because of incidents like this.

Progressive media won’t say anything about this because they make money off of weaponizing misogyny. Of course right-wing media has already done this for years, but the left-wing media saw a profitable approach working and has gone all-in themselves.

The subject matter differs, but the underlying message is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

What you call racism everyone else calls a normal reaction to the provocative situation. Tomato, tomahto. I would do the same given what happened to her. Cause a scene, yell for help, cry if needed. Oh well.

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

We don't know that they hadn't paid for it. We know really nothing about what happened before the video started other than the lawyer said the young men pushed it back in and relocked it. As someone else explained, you don't pay for a specific bike, you pay for a regular bike or an ebike and then when you get to the actual bike you are taking, you scan the QR code to register that specific bike to your account - but it is already paid for. They may have both already paid for an ebike and then that was the only ebike there and they had both paid for it and wanted what they had paid for. We don't know all the facts as there has been one brief lawyer statement about events that occured before filming started.

She has the receipt for that specific bike. She had already scanned the QR code. It was hers. When the guy got there he forced her to return the bike so he could take it.

Exactly. This is how these scams work. And she probably knew it.

It seems like maybe they originally intended to push her off the bike and essentially steal it when it was still technically on her account (thus putting her on the hook for damages which can be upwards of $1k on an e-bike) but eventually somewhat relented to forcibly pushing it back in the dock so her rental period ended immediately and then renting it themselves.

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

We don't know that they hadn't paid for it. We know really nothing about what happened before the video started other than the lawyer said the young men pushed it back in and relocked it. As someone else explained, you don't pay for a specific bike, you pay for a regular bike or an ebike and then when you get to the actual bike you are taking, you scan the QR code to register that specific bike to your account - but it is already paid for. They may have both already paid for an ebike and then that was the only ebike there and they had both paid for it and wanted what they had paid for. We don't know all the facts as there has been one brief lawyer statement about events that occured before filming started.

She has the receipt for that specific bike. She had already scanned the QR code. It was hers. When the guy got there he forced her to return the bike so he could take it.

This. It doesn't matter who had prepaid or not prepaid. She had already scanned the QR code for this particular bike, and she has the receipt to prove it. Somebody posted a picture of her receipt with the QR code, plus a clip from the video showing the bike's matching QR code, on page 100 of this thread. So it was her bike.

The guys know it's her bike, and they show it by their actions. They know they need to redock the bike to close out her rental, and then they need to scan the QR code with their own phone 20 seconds into the video.

Given they're showing they know how this works, you can't argue that they misunderstood that prepaying ensured them a particular bike.

But, they didn't try to steal a bike she had signed out. It wasn't a scenario where they stole her bike and she's now liable for $1,200. Even though she may have heard about that and been concerned about it. They did shove her bike back into the dock and sign it out again themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

What you call racism everyone else calls a normal reaction to the provocative situation. Tomato, tomahto. I would do the same given what happened to her. Cause a scene, yell for help, cry if needed. Oh well.

Of course you would and so would this ridiculous jackass who pretends she would be completely composed during this scenario. It’s revealing how weak she actually is. She wouldn’t object, she’s just so cool, and by the way “fake tears.” Ignore these dissemblers.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

What you call racism everyone else calls a normal reaction to the provocative situation. Tomato, tomahto. I would do the same given what happened to her. Cause a scene, yell for help, cry if needed. Oh well.

Of course you would and so would this ridiculous jackass who pretends she would be completely composed during this scenario. It’s revealing how weak she actually is. She wouldn’t object, she’s just so cool, and by the way “fake tears.” Ignore these dissemblers.

They aren’t disassemblers. They are virulent misogynists. Let’s call them what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

This wasn’t a disagreement. The guys forced the bike she was in back into the docking station. A bike she has proof she already rented. She was harassed and bullied. So no, those aren’t racist actions. They are normal pissed off actions.

I disagree. If this scenario had unfolded the same way if the people she was interacting with were white women or white men, she most likely would have acted differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

This wasn’t a disagreement. The guys forced the bike she was in back into the docking station. A bike she has proof she already rented. She was harassed and bullied. So no, those aren’t racist actions. They are normal pissed off actions.

I disagree. If this scenario had unfolded the same way if the people she was interacting with were white women or white men, she most likely would have acted differently.

If a member of that group physically rammed the bike back into redock it while she was on it (according to her lawyer, preceding the video, presumably verified by the time stamp): nope. I’m sure she’d have wanted help. And no. You wouldn’t have done much different in a very fast interaction where there’s you on one side and 4+ on the other. Not credible.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

Because once it's back in the dock, he can rent it out himself. That's why he swipes his phone over the QR reader 20 seconds into the video.

I am not following. How is that a scam? If he is renting it out himself, who is he scamming?

Because she had rented it first, and she has the receipt to prove it. They shove her bike back into the dock so that her rental period ends, and consistent with this her receipt shows her rental period only lasted a minute. Now he can rent it himself, so 20 seconds into the video he swipes his phone over the QR reader, starting his own rental period, and then he starts saying the bike is his.

I agree this might have been the last e-bike.

There is more to this as if you look at the video there were plenty of bikes available and she moved over and rented another one. I think that's what happened and she saw him on the app and grabbed his phone but it's easily provable by the receipts/company. It would be nice if the company/men would speak up. Its really strange the men are quiet.

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The other person was attempting to rob her of the bike

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

This wasn’t a disagreement. The guys forced the bike she was in back into the docking station. A bike she has proof she already rented. She was harassed and bullied. So no, those aren’t racist actions. They are normal pissed off actions.

I disagree. If this scenario had unfolded the same way if the people she was interacting with were white women or white men, she most likely would have acted differently.

I don't think she would have acted differently. She just came off a 12 hour shift, 6 months pregnant and exhausted. It probably took her completely by surprise to have several men all surround her and physically grab the bike from her. It really looks like they were looking for 5 minutes of fame as just let her have the bike and call the company. Maybe they were racist and trying to set her up.

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

This wasn’t a disagreement. The guys forced the bike she was in back into the docking station. A bike she has proof she already rented. She was harassed and bullied. So no, those aren’t racist actions. They are normal pissed off actions.

I disagree. If this scenario had unfolded the same way if the people she was interacting with were white women or white men, she most likely would have acted differently.

Well as my brother is fond of saying, “if IF’s were fifths we’d all be f@cked up.”

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Anonymous wrote:Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

What you call racism everyone else calls a normal reaction to the provocative situation. Tomato, tomahto. I would do the same given what happened to her. Cause a scene, yell for help, cry if needed. Oh well.

Of course you would and so would this ridiculous jackass who pretends she would be completely composed during this scenario. It’s revealing how weak she actually is. She wouldn’t object, she’s just so cool, and by the way “fake tears.” Ignore these dissemblers.

I wouldn't expect anyone to be composed in that situation where you are surrounded by 5 men, 6 months pregnant with a man on the bike shoving you forward.