Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

They literally were surrounding her, saying her would be born r***. Is that a joke to you? Are you so comfortable with using the r-word that you don’t think it would be terrifying to have a group of men surrounding you, laughing, mocking you, and using the r-word about your baby?

What is appalling is your defense of them. Of course she was terrified. That video is terrifying. Any normal person would be terrified in her shoes. YOU apparently use the r-word so frequently that the use doesn’t bother you, but for normal people, that’s horrifying.

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:I kind of see “karen” as similar to the “angry black woman” trope.

While I fully appreciate and respect that black women experience sexism in a uniquely terrible way due to pervasive racism, both of these stereotypes were designed to humiliate women when they get upset or speak up for themselves even when they are justified in doing so.

I have thought about this too.

Mostly I just think about how often emotionality is used against women as evidence that they are "crazy", not rational, dangerous, or should not e listened to or taken seriously. It's a way of infantilizing women, like "oh you're so worked up, you can't think straight." Numerous people referred to the PA's behavior in the video as a "tantrum" and that's not accidental language -- comparing women to children is a very standard way to diminish them.

But the think about "Karen" that brings it in line with the "angry black woman" trope is the attitude that this person is dangerous. Like yes, the implication is still that she is over-emotional and should not be taken seriously or believed, but ALSO that she poses a threat to other people specifically due to how she expresses her not-to-be-taken-seriously emotions. There is a strong parallel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

The video appears to show a misunderstanding that led to a minor confrontation that was quickly resolved by one party acquiesing to the other. The response to the video has been extreme. They aren't going after the young men as likely the woman involved issues and concerns and fear for her life are from the online response and threats to her from those responding and the doxxing - and not the young men.

The response has been extreme because people have tried to get her killed. She is in hiding now. Do not hide the truth here.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

Because once it's back in the dock, he can rent it out himself. That's why he swipes his phone over the QR reader 20 seconds into the video.

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I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

We don't know that they hadn't paid for it. We know really nothing about what happened before the video started other than the lawyer said the young men pushed it back in and relocked it. As someone else explained, you don't pay for a specific bike, you pay for a regular bike or an ebike and then when you get to the actual bike you are taking, you scan the QR code to register that specific bike to your account - but it is already paid for. They may have both already paid for an ebike and then that was the only ebike there and they had both paid for it and wanted what they had paid for. We don't know all the facts as there has been one brief lawyer statement about events that occured before filming started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

Because once it's back in the dock, he can rent it out himself. That's why he swipes his phone over the QR reader 20 seconds into the video.

I am not following. How is that a scam? If he is renting it out himself, who is he scamming?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I kind of see “karen” as similar to the “angry black woman” trope.

While I fully appreciate and respect that black women experience sexism in a uniquely terrible way due to pervasive racism, both of these stereotypes were designed to humiliate women when they get upset or speak up for themselves even when they are justified in doing so.

I have thought about this too.

Mostly I just think about how often emotionality is used against women as evidence that they are "crazy", not rational, dangerous, or should not e listened to or taken seriously. It's a way of infantilizing women, like "oh you're so worked up, you can't think straight." Numerous people referred to the PA's behavior in the video as a "tantrum" and that's not accidental language -- comparing women to children is a very standard way to diminish them.

But the think about "Karen" that brings it in line with the "angry black woman" trope is the attitude that this person is dangerous. Like yes, the implication is still that she is over-emotional and should not be taken seriously or believed, but ALSO that she poses a threat to other people specifically due to how she expresses her not-to-be-taken-seriously emotions. There is a strong parallel.

DP. This is a very good comparison, thanks. Both Karen and Angry Black Woman need to be consigned to the trash heap of vocabulary. Neither will be, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

DP. I don't think those guys were trying to scam her into giving them a bike she paid for, but I do think it's relevant that such scams exist. I've also seen videos of people shoving someone off a bike they rented (like while they are riding it) to steal the bike and make off with it, which is extra miserable for the person being robbed of the bike because then the rental company can charge their account for the full cost of the bike (often a thousand or more dollars).

I think these things are relevant because it also helps explain why someone might be wary of someone trying to take a bike they were on -- these behaviors are common enough and widely reported enough that if you took bikeshare home from work every day, you might be extra on edge about it happening to you.

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Disregarding when the hike was reserved and by whom- they clearly had a disagreement. She handled this by pretending to cry and yelling help- whether or not she was in the right about the bike reservation, those are racist actions to deal with the situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Truth.

I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

That PP isn’t missing the point. That PP is a misogynist who is flailing because she doesn’t want to face her misogyny. So she has to pretend alternate facts into existence, rather that face her own deep misogyny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

DP. I don't think those guys were trying to scam her into giving them a bike she paid for, but I do think it's relevant that such scams exist. I've also seen videos of people shoving someone off a bike they rented (like while they are riding it) to steal the bike and make off with it, which is extra miserable for the person being robbed of the bike because then the rental company can charge their account for the full cost of the bike (often a thousand or more dollars).

I think these things are relevant because it also helps explain why someone might be wary of someone trying to take a bike they were on -- these behaviors are common enough and widely reported enough that if you took bikeshare home from work every day, you might be extra on edge about it happening to you.

Yes. If you live in NYC these are known scams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Truth.

I don’t think people thought she was actually trying to rob the kids because that’s asinine. I thought it was more of a situation where she thought it was hers and wouldn’t listen to the boys saying she was wrong. People refuse to admit they’re wrong ALL the time (look at this thread lol).

It appears based on receipts and her lawyer’s statement that I misinterpreted the situation and I’m willing to admit that.

Question for you: do you truly believe that a significantly pregnant women coming off a work shift, would challenge a group of older male teens or adult men surrounding her? Really? In what world would that ever make sense?

I know literally no women who would not be terrified for their lives in that situation. Pregnant, surrounded by angry men? That’s objectively terrifying. And you don’t any women who wouldn’t be terrified either, if you are honest with yourself. You believed the initial take, the men, because of deeply ingrained and adopted misogyny that teaches you that scared women are “hysterical” and their tears are faked.

You didn’t misinterpret anything: you acted and believed according to your misogynist belief system which will always, always discredit the woman. Your response was precisely inline with what your belief system is, and that belief system discredits women.

Be honest with yourself.

I would not describe that video as a group of angry men surrounding her. Nor did she appear at all terrified for her life, nor would I be . Frustrated and annoyed - yes. It was a dispute with one young man trying to hold or take the bike that lasted a short time while another video'ed. She then turns her back to the young man as she lets go and seems to decide to use another bike. We only only know a certain % of the whole story. Describing that video as an angry group of men surrounding her and making her terrified for her life is really no different from describing her as a Karen.

They moved her bike, with her on it, back into the rack to end the ride she had paid for. They mocked her for reacting. They called her unborn child r****. One of the guys reached across her to swipe his phone on the QR reader. True, one of the four keeps saying, "give her the bike."

They were confrontational but I can how if it was me and I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the bike and pull it back too. I might reach across the bike and my arm might brush the person on it. Do I think that makes me an angry person terrorizing that individual and they need to fear for their life - no. It is a minor confrontation that went viral.

Was the comment rude - yes. To look at the guy sitting on the bike smiling and saying give her the bike and characterize him as an angry black man surrounding her and terrorizing her and making her fear for her life is as full of bias and racism (black men are dangerous and angry) as any biased comment about her. We need to separate what actually happened in the video from the response online. Those are two separate issues. What has happened online has been appalling. What happened in the video was not a group of angry men surrounding and terrorizing and physically assaulting a woman as they tried to steal her bike making her fear for her life.

You keep missing the point. These guys did not "think she was taking a bike they had paid for." They knew they hadn't paid for it. That changes everything about the rest of your analysis.

We don't know that they hadn't paid for it. We know really nothing about what happened before the video started other than the lawyer said the young men pushed it back in and relocked it. As someone else explained, you don't pay for a specific bike, you pay for a regular bike or an ebike and then when you get to the actual bike you are taking, you scan the QR code to register that specific bike to your account - but it is already paid for. They may have both already paid for an ebike and then that was the only ebike there and they had both paid for it and wanted what they had paid for. We don't know all the facts as there has been one brief lawyer statement about events that occured before filming started.

She has the receipt for that specific bike. She had already scanned the QR code. It was hers. When the guy got there he forced her to return the bike so he could take it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

DP. I don't think those guys were trying to scam her into giving them a bike she paid for, but I do think it's relevant that such scams exist. I've also seen videos of people shoving someone off a bike they rented (like while they are riding it) to steal the bike and make off with it, which is extra miserable for the person being robbed of the bike because then the rental company can charge their account for the full cost of the bike (often a thousand or more dollars).

I think these things are relevant because it also helps explain why someone might be wary of someone trying to take a bike they were on -- these behaviors are common enough and widely reported enough that if you took bikeshare home from work every day, you might be extra on edge about it happening to you.

Thanks, that is helpful in understanding the rental bike world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the young men believe they had already reserved the bike she was on? I think her attorney said that the guys told her they had reserved that bike when she was pulling out. Was it a big misunderstanding on their part? If not, and they purposefully took a bike they knew they had not reserved, then why is her attorney not going after them?

It’s actually a known scam. People will go up and say that they’d paid for the bike. Often people are confused and just give it up. But the PA may have known about the scam and that’s why she refused.

There wouldn’t be much point in filing civil charges against them, because they likely have no assets to pay off any judgment.

How is that a scam since the account from her lawyer is that the men pushed it back in and locked it? What can they gain from a locked bike?

Because once it's back in the dock, he can rent it out himself. That's why he swipes his phone over the QR reader 20 seconds into the video.

I am not following. How is that a scam? If he is renting it out himself, who is he scamming?

Because she had rented it first, and she has the receipt to prove it. They shove her bike back into the dock so that her rental period ends, and consistent with this her receipt shows her rental period only lasted a minute. Now he can rent it himself, so 20 seconds into the video he swipes his phone over the QR reader, starting his own rental period, and then he starts saying the bike is his.

I agree this might have been the last e-bike.