Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

https://framepulse.substack.com/p/exploring-the-100-million-question

This article is fascinating. Essentially Blake was using her unsigned contract as leverage throughout the whole film. You’ll recall her lawyer kept sending messages that she could leave the film at any time and obviously after they sunk costs into getting some shots with her that would’ve caused Wayfarer millions so they kept plowing ahead and giving into her demands.

However, because she did not have a signed contract, when the movie went on to make $350 million all she was entitled to was the 3 million they had agreed to in the original letter -if she if she had signed the contract she would have gotten $37 million.

Apparently, if they had tried to pay her, they would’ve opened themselves up to other litigation. You can’t just pay someone when they didn’t sign a contract as it has other implications for other investors, etc. who were expecting their cut of the film.

Basically this article is saying there was no strategy into this case. Ryan and Blake wanted to throw a bomb in the hopes of getting their money. And now because of her unsigned contract she has lost out on 37 million. Blake’s estimated net worth is 30 million. This would have been mind blowing money. I know we talk about Ryan’s 400 million but that is tied up in his businesses etc. it’s not like he has that to spend, unlike this.

Truly crazy. I wonder who advised Blake not to sign?

[Anonymous]

Just read the article, wow. Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

Breaking news, read the article posted above. This case is clearly not about sexual harassment. It’s about $37 million Blake missed out on because she didn’t sign her contract. Pure and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

It still needs to meet the standards of severe and pervasive. Also her retaliation claim struggles with a timely connection to the adverse employment action, an action that has not yet been clarified with evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

Breaking news, read the article posted above. This case is clearly not about sexual harassment. It’s about $37 million Blake missed out on because she didn’t sign her contract. Pure and simple.

She first reported the inappropriate behavior to Sony during the first stint of filming and brough the list of required changes before the second stint of filming. These were both well within the time frame for a contract to be signed. The reports by the other women were also during the periods of filming.

I don't read one article that is authorless, speculative, has a lot of language 'probably' "most likely' "I think", and doesn't even know for sure how much she got paid and take it as fact. All they are doing is pulling specific items that fit the direction of their article and putting them together to say if we look at these specific items, it couldbe saying x. They are pretty clear that this is all speculation and they arent sure about a lot of details, so their readers should also keep that lens.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

It still needs to meet the standards of severe and pervasive. Also her retaliation claim struggles with a timely connection to the adverse employment action, an action that has not yet been clarified with evidence.

Agreed. I was just reading the last few pages and seeing a lot of comments about how inappropriate behavior that makes the women uncomfortable in the workplace isn't sexual harassment. When that is more or less the definition of sexual harassment. It doesn't require sexual desire or explicit sexual comments or actions. It is about a pattern of discriminatory behavior based on sex (or sexual orientation, gender identity etc). There just seems to be a lot of confusion over what sexual harassment is.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that Leslie Sloan was running all over town telling every reporter who would listen that the cast did not get along with Justin. That was blatantly not true. Blake and it looks like Jenny did not seem to get along with Justin.

He had no problem with any of the three main male cast members and Isabel when filming. Ironically, the only problem Isabel had with him was when his team was chasing her down for a subpoena, no doubt to verify that they got along well during the making of the film.

So it would make sense that Justin would want to get in peoples minds that it’s Blake who has never once gotten along with a cast in her 20 years of acting.

Is the way he did that illegal? I have no idea and I’ll leave that to the courts to decide - that certainly seems like it wasn’t retaliation. It was more defense- it certainly sounds like if it was Blake‘s team has no proof and they really should’ve gotten some proof before running to the New York Times - but ridiculous to think that Blake didn’t cause all of this.

She’s the one who made this a PR issue. She had only filed a complaint before the New York Times article. It didn’t make it into a lawsuit until after when Justin forced her hand with his website and now it’s too late to go back for her.

We don't actually know what is true or not. Remember we were told that Jenny's only issue on set was with Heath and the motherhood comment, and now we are learning that Jenny had repeated issues with Justin including some that were similar to Blake's (they both objected to him calling them "sexy" at different points, Jenny felt he violated boundaries by recording their meeting etc.).

Yes, Isabel sent that nice note of thanks to Justin but I don't think you can assume those were her true thoughts. I've been really nice to lots of bad bosses because if they can influence your ability to get your next job, you suck it up and say "thanks, this was so great, you've been wonderful." That's just life. I'd be interested to hear from her directly.

Same with the men on set.

I am genuinely open minded on this. Maybe everyone else had a good experience and Blake, Jenny, and apparently Alex Saks were outliers. Or maybe everyone was gritting their teeth through the entire production and Baldoni and Heath are too full of themselves to tell the difference between people who are genuinely happy on set versus people who are deferring to them because they are the bosses and people don't want to be fired. Other than Blake, Jenny, and Hasan, most of this cast was not well known at all when they were filming and still pretty early in their career and would be unlikely to make it known that they found the director or producer awful.

Also, remember those "HR reports" that came out months and months ago that people speculated were drawn up by Sony HR to document complaints from Blake, Jenny, and Isabel? But then we all thought they were fake because Jenny's especially didn't match up with what we thought we knew about her issues? But now with this new info about her complaints I think maybe that document matched up pretty well. Which makes me wonder if the Isabel one, which was actually the worst one, might also have been true.

A lot of open questions still on this case. I think we know very little of what would actually be presented at trial at this point.

Again, though, there’s a lot of conflating of the issues here. Recording a Zoom meeting where they were rehearsing is sort of standard. I get that she feels uncomfortable, but in no way would any reasonable person call that sexual harassment. I’m sorry but they just wouldn’t. Especially since we’re probably going to find that there were males on the call - he wasn’t just recording her because of her gender.

Second, using the word sexy when people were using that term all over because they were trying to do a movie with love scenes and have sexually appealing characters is not sexual harassment. Do you really think Justin and Blake get roles in movies despite their looks? Of course not they are both good looking people and sex appeal was part of the movie. Blake is filmed all over said telling random crew members how sexy her boots are, and walking around with an absurd amount of cleavage hanging out. Sexiness was part of the movie for him to use that term was not gendered.

The problem is there were these things that happen that made people uncomfortable, and might have been inappropriate, but then they all get lumped under sexual harassment. And then Ryan Reynolds is walking around, calling justin a sexual predator, which is actually defamation and a lie - no predatory behavior has been alleged by anyone including Blake.

Uncomfortable and unwelcome and inappropriate when it relates to your gender is what sexual harassment is in the workplace.

It would be like if someone made inappropriate and unwanted comments and actions that made all the Black or Jewish people feel uncomfortable in their workplace. Whenever the unwanted and unwelcome and inappropriate words and actions are directed at a protected class of people with the results of that specific class feeling uncomfortable in their workplace and they approach others / HR to report they have a toxic workplace - that is harassment . Be it based on sex, race, religion etc.

Sexual harassment doesn’t require sexualized or explicit sexual acts. It can be any unwanted and unwelcome comments or actions directed at someone due to their sex that makes them uncomfortable in the workplace. So if the many of the women on this set felt uncomfortable, but the men didn’t, that is a clear indicator of sexual harassment.

If Baldoni also called the men on set hot and sexy and if Heath also went out of his way for single dads etc, then it isn’t sexual harassment.

Breaking news, read the article posted above. This case is clearly not about sexual harassment. It’s about $37 million Blake missed out on because she didn’t sign her contract. Pure and simple.

She first reported the inappropriate behavior to Sony during the first stint of filming and brough the list of required changes before the second stint of filming. These were both well within the time frame for a contract to be signed. The reports by the other women were also during the periods of filming.

I don't read one article that is authorless, speculative, has a lot of language 'probably' "most likely' "I think", and doesn't even know for sure how much she got paid and take it as fact. All they are doing is pulling specific items that fit the direction of their article and putting them together to say if we look at these specific items, it couldbe saying x. They are pretty clear that this is all speculation and they arent sure about a lot of details, so their readers should also keep that lens.

I found that article in the documents really compelling. I wish the author had been less obviously biased and sarcastic. Because it does take away from the facts. But the fact of the facts.

The theory is that they were always trying to take over the movie and so of course there were going to be complaints of inappropriate behavior - that and the unsigned contract gave lively a ton of leverage.

But it seems like the January 2024 meeting, she presented her complaints and they were dealt with and not repeated - that is how employers and the courts would want such situations handled. She went through inappropriate channels, and they were dealt with. Do you really think if she had gotten her 37 million she would’ve sued?

They needed the sexual harassment and the retaliation case to bring about a lawsuit to get to the money.

As annoying as the author on substack was, I really no longer care about any elements of the case, except whether the contract will be enforceable. His or hers follow the money argument is very compelling. Because of course.

That part is very fascinating to me. It has major implications for lively, either way. Apparently if it wasn’t an enforceable contract, she lost the right to go straight to the courts. She would’ve been required to go to arbitration first. And of course it would’ve had major tax applications for her as well if her company Blakel LLC were to get the money.

She really has tangled a lot of things up for herself.

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I also didn't care for how the article was written, but they have hit on an important point about the bonus being in the ALA and not in the initial letter. The author writes "Upon information and belief, Blake was only paid her $1.25M box office bonuses" but that's the whole issue. If Wayfarer did pay her the bonus, that undercuts the argument that the parties weren't acting as if the contract had been signed. And if they didn't pay the bonus, she should have sued for her share of the profits if she believes the contract was in effect. So that seems like a pretty important point towards the MSJ argument on whether a contract existed and I don't recall it being brought up by either side. Maybe it was in the redactions. It's also pretty interesting how the author went through the privilege log and identified the email chains and the various execs on lawyers being added to the chain discussing her bonus. There could be something to this.

[Anonymous]

Jenny Slate's texts about Baldoni are damning.

https://people.com/jenny-slate-slams-justin-baldoni-unsealed-text-messages-11888906

[Anonymous]

Let me guess, all of the stuff Blake said checked out and reddit is ready to hang Ferrer, Slate, and Hoover as witches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jenny Slate's texts about Baldoni are damning.

https://people.com/jenny-slate-slams-justin-baldoni-unsealed-text-messages-11888906

I get that this is great PR. But exactly what did he do? Because calling someone a clown and a narcissist does not mean they SH you. It certainly sounds like Jenny doesn’t like Justin, but I’m not sure how that helps Blake’s sexual harassment case?

That’s the problem with this case all along. Lots of headlines. Lots of allegations. But we’re well past a year in And and I just haven’t seen any evidence yet. Seems like everything is unsealed at this point. It also seems like they’re not really going with sexual harassment anymore but a hostile environment? Is that correct? I’m not deep dive following anymore. Just kind of skimming Reddit but that’s what it seems like.

But again, that people article shed no light other than that Jenny really doesn’t like Justin.

[Anonymous]

April 12 2023 texts between Taylor and Blake. This was before his filming started -so preproduction. Blake is texting Taylor before Justin comes to the apartment to talk about the rooftop scene.

Definitely staged that Taylor is coming over and asks her to praise the scene and says “don’t worry you don’t even have to read it.”

Blake calls Justin “my doofus director” and call him a clown.

Certainly seems like they had it out for him before the movie even started. also kind of looks like Taylor is a mean girl and a schemer which I’m sure her PR is not going to like.

Again, I believe they started shooting in May so this is before any onset things happened. She was dismissing him as a doofus and a clown.

[Anonymous]

Agree with above. Also, People is widely known as a celebrity mouthpiece so it doesn't read to me as anything more than Reynolds/Lively trying to spin theose texts into a thing.

[Anonymous]

Angie Sacks, the Sony high up who Blake requested be on set after the first set of complaints called Blake a “f-ing terroist.”

Seems like Sony was trying to play both sides, but it doesn’t seem like they had any love for Blake.