Board of Veterans Appeals (Attorney Advisor)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I heard these rumors and I wasn't sure whether to believe them until I heard a judge screaming at an attorney in their office. This judge is still employed as far as I know.

You can't have a bully without a victim. Why any lawyer would put up with someone screaming at them or throwing something at them is beyond my comprehension. If someone was screaming at me, I would say "I will come back after you calm down because you are making me feel unsafe." If someone threw something at me, I would undoubtedly lose my temper, stand up, and hit him with a chair. and it would be worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I heard these rumors and I wasn't sure whether to believe them until I heard a judge screaming at an attorney in their office. This judge is still employed as far as I know.

You can't have a bully without a victim. Why any lawyer would put up with someone screaming at them or throwing something at them is beyond my comprehension. If someone was screaming at me, I would say "I will come back after you calm down because you are making me feel unsafe." If someone threw something at me, I would undoubtedly lose my temper, stand up, and hit him with a chair. and it would be worth it.

It’s easy to be a tough guy on the internet when you have nothing to lose. It’s much harder in reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I have a hard time believing this. If this behavior was reported, the VLJ would be fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

Normally, when people use the word, “saying,” they are referring things that are verbally communicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

Normally, when people use the word, “saying,” they are referring things that are verbally communicated.

So someone in management personally advised you that you could take another job of do doc review. Like you were just hanging out shooting the shit about the Board snd they said, "Troll, you know of you don't like this job, you can just go do doc review ." And then they skipped off to a meeting with the Secretary, secure in the knowledge that they did their best to make you feel like ass.

It's fascinating that you received such close personal attention from someine in management. I totally buy this story. Was this a DVC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I have a hard time believing this. If this behavior was reported, the VLJ would be fired.

The only VLJs who have been fired were the ones who said inappropriate things about senior managers at the Board (look up “Forum of Hate” on the internet). VLJs who bully rank and file attorneys face no consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I have a hard time believing this. If this behavior was reported, the VLJ would be fired.

The only VLJs who have been fired were the ones who said inappropriate things about senior managers at the Board (look up “Forum of Hate” on the internet). VLJs who bully rank and file attorneys face no consequences.

Untrue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I have a hard time believing this. If this behavior was reported, the VLJ would be fired.

You are wrong. Management knows who the bad judges are. They’ll “talk to them” but the reality is they won’t fire them absent very extreme circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before the Board went remote, there were a couple of judges who were known for throwing objects at attorneys, screaming at them, and slamming their hands on their desks in anger. Remote work prevented a lot of the outbursts. If we RTO full time, I fear for the safety and mental health of the attorneys assigned to toxic judges.

I have a hard time believing this. If this behavior was reported, the VLJ would be fired.

The only VLJs who have been fired were the ones who said inappropriate things about senior managers at the Board (look up “Forum of Hate” on the internet). VLJs who bully rank and file attorneys face no consequences.

Untrue

Stating “untrue” doesn’t make it untrue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

I have never seen anything like this either in multiple years at the Board. It's just a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

I have never seen anything like this either in multiple years at the Board. It's just a troll.

Yet another case of people with nice and supportive judges and managers discounting the experiences of those with toxic ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How often are drafting attorneys re-assigned to new VLJs? If somebody isn't quitting, and the VLJ isn't retiring, do they just stay together until somebody leaves?

There are occasions when attorneys and VLJs stay on the same team for several years. I know of some who have been with the same VLJ 6-8 years but its more common to be moved around (involuntarily) when there is a new VLJ promoted, or if an attorney applies for a detail, or just in a general shuffle that management decides is best. At the end of the day you don't really get a choice. You go where they tell you to go, or you can quit.

I love the periodic reminders from management about how lucky we are to have an attorney job at the Board. Management seems to think that without the Board, we would be either be unemployed or doing doc review.

That's how they manage. Intimidation, half truths and mental abuse.

I’ve never seen a reminder like this.

It’s subtle passive aggressive reminders, such as saying things could be worse or encouraging people to leave and do doc review if they don’t like it at the Board. You probably didn’t notice.

I am sorry, but is this the troll?. I have never seen a message at the Board saying to do doc review if you don't like your job. i have also never seen any email message telling attorneys that they should be happy with the way they are treated. This is complete garbage.

I have never seen anything like this either in multiple years at the Board. It's just a troll.

Yet another case of people with nice and supportive judges and managers discounting the experiences of those with toxic ones.

yep. I've had both excellent and awful judges. If you've never had an awful judge consider yourself very lucky.