UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t wear gloves in the pictures where he shoots him. Surprised, I thought that was Murderer 101. Perhaps he went bare to have more dexterity with the chamber reloading

Definitely for dexterity. It was cold that morning. Which is likely why he went inside the Starbucks for a bit to remain warmed up.

I think he had a spotter at the other hotel. That’s who was speaking to on the phone. And that’s how he knew the target was on the move and able to get into position only 5 minutes in advance.

This is the best explanation I have heard. Why else would he be in the phone minutes before.

And taking the bus means no car tracking or license plates.

If he had a spotter, this isn’t really about a denied claim.

Media is reporting the bullet casings and live rounds found at the scene had “deny” “defend” “depose” written on them, so seems like the killer’s motive (or motive of whoever hired the killer) is indeed along those lines.

Or it's a red herring.

Did you see this?

https://x.com/brianosheaspi/status/1864856460397609112?s=46&t=B_UPLhyHnaYTWZGHGKR0lQ

It's also odd that shooter has visible backpack which was "dumped" and found. Why not hide gun under coat?

Change of clothes, throw off cops

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Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It was 10.1, not 23. No YouTube where you are?

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Anonymous wrote:This couldn't have happened at a worse time for UHC. December 15 is the open enrollment deadline for the exchange and for many corporate plans. That ubiquitous denial rate graphic is going to hurt.

Yes. I’ve had no issues with United so far but after seeing their stats, I’m considering switching my FEHB plan before open enrollment ends Monday.

I’ve had a pretty good experience with my Federal BCBS plan for over a decade now.

I think we are lucky that the federal plans are better than some of the junk plans employers are willing to contribute toward in the private sector. For instance my births (including some extra high risk monitoring and a NICU stay) only cost me about $200/each.

When I hear about some families getting thousands of dollars in medical bills after bringing a new baby home it makes me so irate. It shouldn’t break the bank for people to want to start a family. I wish all coverage had to be as good as FEHB.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter waited 5 minutes in his location, not feasible on his own. Nobody gets that lucky.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!
DCUM can’t handle it may have been suicide by hired gunman, huh?

I saw two LE analysts, one FBI and one USMS, on TV this morning and they were both pretty adamant the shooter is not a professional.

Geee, shocking

I said that the very first time I saw the video. A trained shooter isn’t going to use an untested gun+suppressor combination. He was expecting that pistol to function, and it didn’t. Repeatedly. He had to cycle it by hand each time to get it to fire. So clearly he’d never practiced with that gun/suppressor even once, because had he, he would’ve learned then that it didn’t work. A professional killer wouldn’t take a chance like that. They would use something previously tested, with 100% reliability.



In other words, these LE analysts on TV are about as perceptive and knowledgeable as me, a guy who flies airplanes for living.

That gun has to be cycled after every shot, just like a standard shotgun. It's actually a cool gun, based off of a WW2 pistol. The design + screw on suppressor makes it quiet, relative to a normal pistol. I had no idea either until I searched for the gun on YouTube.

I'm interested in this. I deal with a lot of gun crimes as part of my job and I'm struggling to understand why anyone would choose this kind of gun? What's the advantage?
Why not get a 9mm Glock like every other criminal? It seems like it dramatically increases the chance of getting caught.

Just a wild guess, but possible something to do with purchasing and/tracing of the gun. If this is a WWII gun or even a WWII inspired gun, it may have been purchased a long time ago before modern tracking of gun purchases was in place, probably not something he personally owned but even so, his name wouldn’t be tied to it

It's not a Welrod or clone of one. He ran the slide, not operated a bolt.

NYPD believes it is a Welrod- for whatever that’s worth: https://abc7ny.com/amp/post/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shot-brian-thompson-killed-midtown-nyc-writing-shell-casings-bullets/15623577/

That's a very comprehensive article. Thanks for posting.

I found this interesting: "They are checking every dispute or contested denial of service brought against the company..."

With their denial rate, that is going to take forever.

That could take years to go through the last few years of denials. Also, dumb. It could be a patient’s relative. As the largest insurer, that’s millions of people.

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I bet he’s lined up a plastic surgeon already.

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UnitedHealth doesn’t cover plastic surgery for optional reasons, but money isn’t a problem for the pretty boy gamer/shooter.

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t wear gloves in the pictures where he shoots him. Surprised, I thought that was Murderer 101. Perhaps he went bare to have more dexterity with the chamber reloading

Definitely for dexterity. It was cold that morning. Which is likely why he went inside the Starbucks for a bit to remain warmed up.

I think he had a spotter at the other hotel. That’s who was speaking to on the phone. And that’s how he knew the target was on the move and able to get into position only 5 minutes in advance.

This is the best explanation I have heard. Why else would he be in the phone minutes before.

And taking the bus means no car tracking or license plates.

If he had a spotter, this isn’t really about a denied claim.

Media is reporting the bullet casings and live rounds found at the scene had “deny” “defend” “depose” written on them, so seems like the killer’s motive (or motive of whoever hired the killer) is indeed along those lines.

Or it's a red herring.

Did you see this?

https://x.com/brianosheaspi/status/1864856460397609112?s=46&t=B_UPLhyHnaYTWZGHGKR0lQ

It's also odd that shooter has visible backpack which was "dumped" and found. Why not hide gun under coat?

So much in that link

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t wear gloves in the pictures where he shoots him. Surprised, I thought that was Murderer 101. Perhaps he went bare to have more dexterity with the chamber reloading

Definitely for dexterity. It was cold that morning. Which is likely why he went inside the Starbucks for a bit to remain warmed up.

I think he had a spotter at the other hotel. That’s who was speaking to on the phone. And that’s how he knew the target was on the move and able to get into position only 5 minutes in advance.

This is the best explanation I have heard. Why else would he be in the phone minutes before.

And taking the bus means no car tracking or license plates.

If he had a spotter, this isn’t really about a denied claim.

Media is reporting the bullet casings and live rounds found at the scene had “deny” “defend” “depose” written on them, so seems like the killer’s motive (or motive of whoever hired the killer) is indeed along those lines.

Or it's a red herring.

Did you see this?

https://x.com/brianosheaspi/status/1864856460397609112?s=46&t=B_UPLhyHnaYTWZGHGKR0lQ

Interesting. I’m sure there will be spin because look at Lee Harvey Oswald. Too convenient. I wondered about the Starbucks too. But, I wondered if he was daring people to find him.

Also, saw this morning that they’re saying it was the shooter at the hostel. Many said here SB guy and hostel guy aren’t the same person on eye and nose bridge.

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Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It’s the cost of the job. Ofc it’s reimbursable.

It’s about 150-300k for 24/7 security for 1 person. More for a family.

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Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It was 10.1, not 23. No YouTube where you are?

He exercised the rest in stock options. That’s compensation. Doesn’t include the $150 million he and colleagues just dumped.

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Anonymous wrote:This couldn't have happened at a worse time for UHC. December 15 is the open enrollment deadline for the exchange and for many corporate plans. That ubiquitous denial rate graphic is going to hurt.

Yes. I’ve had no issues with United so far but after seeing their stats, I’m considering switching my FEHB plan before open enrollment ends Monday.

I’ve had a pretty good experience with my Federal BCBS plan for over a decade now.

I think we are lucky that the federal plans are better than some of the junk plans employers are willing to contribute toward in the private sector. For instance my births (including some extra high risk monitoring and a NICU stay) only cost me about $200/each.

When I hear about some families getting thousands of dollars in medical bills after bringing a new baby home it makes me so irate. It shouldn’t break the bank for people to want to start a family. I wish all coverage had to be as good as FEHB.

Our private coverage was that good and very affordable before ACA. We need nationalized regulated healthcare. It doesn’t have to be single payer, but the current market is not working.

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Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It’s the cost of the job. Ofc it’s reimbursable.

It’s about 150-300k for 24/7 security for 1 person. More for a family.

PP’s point is that they’d “pass on costs” like it was a threat. You don’t need to pass on that to customers when his salary makes it a drop in the bucket and the company racks in $15 BILLION in profit. I was being sarcastic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It was 10.1, not 23. No YouTube where you are?

He exercised the rest in stock options. That’s compensation. Doesn’t include the $150 million he and colleagues just dumped.

+1. High level execs have what’s commonly referred to as “three tiers of comp.” Base salary, bonus, and then some sort of stock grant/options/profit sharing or whatever the company decides. Even at small to mid level private companies this is common for the top 5-8 employees.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HE WAS MURDERED.
Have some decency please.

He had no decency. He was getting rich off the backs of denied claims and the devastation caused to the claimants. Unfettered greed.

Is United known to be worse than other insurance companies about denying claims or would PPs say this about any insurance exec?

United is widely known to be the one of the worst offenders.

I know the Kaiser execs have 24 hour security now.

Airline execs are now getting 24/7 security. Pharma is next. Hospital systems already talking about it.
These costs get passed on.

Yeah I guess Thompson’s $23m package last year meant he couldn’t afford security detail. I didn’t know security guards made that much.

It was 10.1, not 23. No YouTube where you are?

He exercised the rest in stock options. That’s compensation. Doesn’t include the $150 million he and colleagues just dumped.

You know a lot about this guy. You definitely did some research.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously! how did this guy know Thompson would come out at 6:45 ish. I mean the meeting was at 8 AM.

Why would Thompson come out this early?

This definitely was someone from the inside organization.

So at what time did they call of the meeting?

It wasn’t canceled. It had already begun and they cut it off in the middle of the earnings call shortly after the shooting saying it was due to a medical situation.

I don’t know how many times people need to hear this. I’m not directing this to PP but to the many people who keep commenting how did he know where he was etc. etc. This was a regularly scheduled quarterly earnings report. The date the time all of it is known in advance and widely publicized across multiple news sites and countless apps There was nothing secret or special about this meeting. Anyone can go to the company website and sign up for example to be on the call. You don’t have to be a shareholder to access any of the information. It’s all completely public. Go to the earnings whisperer website or download the app QARTR for example and you will see all of the earnings calls scheduled for a given date.

How did he know then that he was in another hotel and walking to the meeting? Meeting started at 8 AM. He was ready by 6;40 ... How did he know he was not in that hotel itself... Something is fishy.

Exactly. I’m thinking more and more that Thompson wanted to be dead. They need to be looking at all of his banking records to see anything unusual.

Or Thompson wants people to think he’s dead.

If this were a crime movie, the fbi would be involved in helping the informant fake his death.

I don’t think that’s what happened, but it’s a plausible theory.

He’s literally in the morgue.

Is he?

I mean, have you watched Black List or any similar shows?