GFR Falling apart?

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Anonymous wrote:All coaches train outside their GFR commitments. All you have to do is ask. Every coach offers private or small group. Why is this such a big deal. No double dipping it’s called smart business move. In any sport outside of soccer (football, baseball and volleyball) every one offers supplements to make you a better player.

Its considered unethical everywhere in every sport, actually. Some may get away with it, but its certainly not the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

[Anonymous]

If I was a VRSC parent I would want to be talking to the club management about what is going on. A new coach should absolutely not be allowed to bring new players with him mid-season if the team already has 17+ players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All coaches train outside their GFR commitments. All you have to do is ask. Every coach offers private or small group. Why is this such a big deal. No double dipping it’s called smart business move. In any sport outside of soccer (football, baseball and volleyball) every one offers supplements to make you a better player.

Because the people who are posting here are RL families where the commitment level is not even remotely the same and so they don’t realize that nearly all NL players train privately, including with their coaches, in individual and group contexts. It is 100% commonplace across youth soccer (and other sports), including in the DMV. The GFR folks just don’t realize it because this is a more casual and relaxed soccer environment.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

The first teams at VRSC all carry the max number of players per roster. THat's how they fill the teams. Then they fill the second team. and so one. There's not room for extra players.

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Anonymous wrote:All coaches train outside their GFR commitments. All you have to do is ask. Every coach offers private or small group. Why is this such a big deal. No double dipping it’s called smart business move. In any sport outside of soccer (football, baseball and volleyball) every one offers supplements to make you a better player.

Because the people who are posting here are RL families where the commitment level is not even remotely the same and so they don’t realize that nearly all NL players train privately, including with their coaches, in individual and group contexts. It is 100% commonplace across youth soccer (and other sports), including in the DMV. The GFR folks just don’t realize it because this is a more casual and relaxed soccer environment.

My son is on a boys RL team at a different club and none of his coaches have ever done secret extra training on the side with just a few kids from his team. Absolutely not. And I totally disagree, kids on RL teams are usually very serious! Its difficult to make the RL teams on the boys side. The NCSL level teams are for the kids who play soccer as a secondary activity.

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Anonymous wrote:All coaches train outside their GFR commitments. All you have to do is ask. Every coach offers private or small group. Why is this such a big deal. No double dipping it’s called smart business move. In any sport outside of soccer (football, baseball and volleyball) every one offers supplements to make you a better player.

Because the people who are posting here are RL families where the commitment level is not even remotely the same and so they don’t realize that nearly all NL players train privately, including with their coaches, in individual and group contexts. It is 100% commonplace across youth soccer (and other sports), including in the DMV. The GFR folks just don’t realize it because this is a more casual and relaxed soccer environment.

This is not true. My older daughter plays GA and if we asked her coach about private training he'd recommend another coach, not himself!!!

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Anonymous wrote:All coaches train outside their GFR commitments. All you have to do is ask. Every coach offers private or small group. Why is this such a big deal. No double dipping it’s called smart business move. In any sport outside of soccer (football, baseball and volleyball) every one offers supplements to make you a better player.

Because the people who are posting here are RL families where the commitment level is not even remotely the same and so they don’t realize that nearly all NL players train privately, including with their coaches, in individual and group contexts. It is 100% commonplace across youth soccer (and other sports), including in the DMV. The GFR folks just don’t realize it because this is a more casual and relaxed soccer environment.

Thank you, glad to see someone else is logical.

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Anonymous wrote:If I was a VRSC parent I would want to be talking to the club management about what is going on. A new coach should absolutely not be allowed to bring new players with him mid-season if the team already has 17+ players.

VRSC expects to lose players and this would be a means to fill those open spots.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

Absolutely. This is true with every VRSC team. If a team can replace their 1-2 worst players with 1-2 of GD’s favorites (who presumably are among GFR’s better players), that might allow them to finish the spring a couple games better, and that might make the difference in qualifying for champions league again, and that might attract 1-2 additional players who can replace their 1-2 worst players. Rinse and repeat. This is how FCV was a top 25 club nationally even though their ulittle program produced very few GA players. The parents of VRSC’s teams’ bottom 7 players will scream bloody murder, just like you are doing here. I’ll celebrate, until my kid finds herself in the bottom 7.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

The first teams at VRSC all carry the max number of players per roster. THat's how they fill the teams. Then they fill the second team. and so one. There's not room for extra players.

Not true. 2013 only has 17.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

Absolutely. This is true with every VRSC team. If a team can replace their 1-2 worst players with 1-2 of GD’s favorites (who presumably are among GFR’s better players), that might allow them to finish the spring a couple games better, and that might make the difference in qualifying for champions league again, and that might attract 1-2 additional players who can replace their 1-2 worst players. Rinse and repeat. This is how FCV was a top 25 club nationally even though their ulittle program produced very few GA players. The parents of VRSC’s teams’ bottom 7 players will scream bloody murder, just like you are doing here. I’ll celebrate, until my kid finds herself in the bottom 7.

This is the way

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

The first teams at VRSC all carry the max number of players per roster. THat's how they fill the teams. Then they fill the second team. and so one. There's not room for extra players.

Not true. 2013 only has 17.

At VRSC? Then they have one open spot on their team. You can only have 18 at the games. And I'm sure there will be unhappy second team parents if a new coach shows up mid year for the first team dragging along a few favorite players instead of moving up a second team player.

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

Exactly! Clubs should do this all the time.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

Absolutely. This is true with every VRSC team. If a team can replace their 1-2 worst players with 1-2 of GD’s favorites (who presumably are among GFR’s better players), that might allow them to finish the spring a couple games better, and that might make the difference in qualifying for champions league again, and that might attract 1-2 additional players who can replace their 1-2 worst players. Rinse and repeat. This is how FCV was a top 25 club nationally even though their ulittle program produced very few GA players. The parents of VRSC’s teams’ bottom 7 players will scream bloody murder, just like you are doing here. I’ll celebrate, until my kid finds herself in the bottom 7.

This is the way

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Anonymous wrote:So he encourages players to PAY him for extra training and then rewards those players with more play time? And thats listed as a pro? LOL.

And the extra training is just an extension of his practices, honestly. It's called "small group" training but it can be 10+ kids in a session and he charges different amounts to different kids lol. It's honestly insane.

Ever think he was trying to improve the team without the distraction of players who weren’t as capable or serious? Charging for the sessions is necessary otherwise he’d have to include everyone, defeating the purpose, and charging different amounts makes it possible for less affluent kids to join. No one is doing it for free, as we all need to make a living. It’s easy to throw stones based on the $, but I bet what really makes parents upset is that their kid wasn’t invited.

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He's being paid what? 15,000 or so from GFR to coach each team? He's not working for free. Pay to play private lessons on the side are not allowed by most clubs for a reason. Its hugely divisive.

He's being paid more than that per team. His salary is public and it was over $100k last year, making more than the TD and almost as much as the ED!

Yes, it's hugely divisive - ask anyone who has played for him for more than a season. The last thing girls that age need is more divisiveness.....

Unless you’re on the right side of that line. Welcome to real life.

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Why would anyone want their daughter involved in a team run in such a manner by someone who sounds like a grasping, greedy nasty bully?

PP said a bunch of the 2011s will follow him to VRSC. Must be a terrible coach.

I believe she said a few of them will follow him.
But that makes no sense either. Is there space on the existing roster at VRSC to add multiple new players? The VRSC top teams usually have full rosters already.
If I was a VRSC parent, I would want more information from the club on what is going on with an abrupt coach change mid season.

I think the 2011's at VRSC are not that great so maybe they want some of the GFR players.

Absolutely. This is true with every VRSC team. If a team can replace their 1-2 worst players with 1-2 of GD’s favorites (who presumably are among GFR’s better players), that might allow them to finish the spring a couple games better, and that might make the difference in qualifying for champions league again, and that might attract 1-2 additional players who can replace their 1-2 worst players. Rinse and repeat. This is how FCV was a top 25 club nationally even though their ulittle program produced very few GA players. The parents of VRSC’s teams’ bottom 7 players will scream bloody murder, just like you are doing here. I’ll celebrate, until my kid finds herself in the bottom 7.

OK, but those "bottom 7" players were offered a spot on VRSC's first team FOR THIS YEAR which includes winter and the spring season. The parents have a contract with VRSC. Are you suggesting New Coach is going to show up and kick kids off the team???