Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Knowing people on the plane, I want to get all you ghouls to be quiet. If you have any interest in understanding the actual events, this video is a completely apolitical analysis of the flights by someone highly respected in the industry for accident analysis.

https://youtu.be/_3gD_lnBNu0?si=aYBclsfvNdb1ZM83

I don’t even have the energy to get into how despicable the statements by the commander in chief are.

Yep. Confirmed. Helos must fly at OR below 200ft through that route. Major mistake #1. Other mistakes were likely also factors, however but for mistake #1, 67 people would still be alive.

[Anonymous]

Poster 20:55 et al, if you haven't already try Gravelly Point. It's such a lovely place to watch as planes come in and out at DCA, trail, green space, and there's parking. Haven't been yet since this news but if it is open that area to public, you could try laying flowers or spending a few minutes there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:55 et al, if you haven't already try Gravelly Point. It's such a lovely place to watch as planes come in and out at DCA, trail, green space, and there's parking. Haven't been yet since this news but if it is open that area to public, you could try laying flowers or spending a few minutes there.

I do believe that park is closed during the recovery operation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

"Fly towards the light!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

Many pilots on youtube have stated that until the plane turned it they would have been flying straight at each other and that in the dark it's very hard to see with all of the city/urban lighting. People accustomed to night flying in cities seem less suprised by this than the rest of us. The video pp posted a few pages back explains what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe he instructed
the pilot to decrease altitude or change course and they didn’t/couldn't/wouldn’t
in time. How much time elapses between the contact with ATC and the crash?

[Anonymous]

People please watch this or one of the other great explanation videos posted before asking any more questions. Most of your questions will be answered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3gD_lnBNu0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:55 et al, if you haven't already try Gravelly Point. It's such a lovely place to watch as planes come in and out at DCA, trail, green space, and there's parking. Haven't been yet since this news but if it is open that area to public, you could try laying flowers or spending a few minutes there.

Thank you very much. I’ve heard it is really nice. Saw the other post that it is closed now but I imagine a memorial may open up there at some point and I will certainly go. Thanks again.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is belligerent even with the easiest questions:

“Trump said he would meet with some of the families affected by the crash. Asked by reporters whether he would visit the collision site, Trump responded: “What’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming? I don’t have a plan to do that, but I will be meeting with some people that were very badly hurt — with their family member, obviously.””

—WaPo

Can’t believe someone was dumb enough to actually ask him to visit the collision site. He should’ve said oh You mean in the middle of the sky?

These are softball questions. Obviously the reporter meant the site of the recovery efforts. the "collision site" can encompass the entire area, not simply the point in space where the aircraft collided.

But more to the point, this is an opportunity for him to praise the first responders, explain the importance of the effort to recover information that will help us find out what happened and how to prevent it from happening again, and once again express condolences to the families. In other words, an easy opportunity to look/be presidential.

But he's a nasty POS with a personality disorder, so instead he's unnecessarily combative.

+1. So exhausting.

I hate Giuliani but look at how great he did after 9/11 with seeming like a caring human being. The fact that a politician who was elected oresdent can’t at least fake this is truly shocking.

Yup. It’s extremely easy to do the right thing here. It takes work to fvk this up.

Don't worry, Vance is waiting in the wings ready to talk about how the GOP needs to be more compassionate when people die because of their party's greed.

But … but …it’s common sense …..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe he instructed
the pilot to decrease altitude or change course and they didn’t/couldn't/wouldn’t
in time. How much time elapses between the contact with ATC and the crash?

They were initially told about the inbound plane approaching runway 33 several minutes before the crash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

Guy in the back does visuals. Pilots are looking at controls and gauges. They literally say: going inside (to do something); going outside (to look)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s Tammy Duckworth’s interview. She set up a good narrative about how flying a helicopter is set up.

The crew chief is in the back. The instructor pilot (the one with 1000+ hrs) was the co-pilot in this case and he would have been the one talking to ATC. While the pilot on the controls and doing all the flying is the one ”sticking to the route” and using all 4 limbs to do that. In this case the pilot was the one being evaluated by the more senior co-pilot. So the person you could hear in the recording is most likely the co-pilot/instructor, not the actual pilot flying the plane

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-duckworth-american-airlines-crash/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=732440745

This still means that BOTH pilots got confused/mistaken about which plane they were giving "visual separation" to. Hopefully one day we will know why.

What is weird from the videos, and i could be totally wrong, is that the helo was flying straight towards the plane for several seconds. So the 1000 hour white make pilot got it wrong (too?). It wasn't a sudden manuever by the pilot that put the Helo in the plane's path.

Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe he instructed
the pilot to decrease altitude or change course and they didn’t/couldn't/wouldn’t
in time. How much time elapses between the contact with ATC and the crash?

They were initially told about the inbound plane approaching runway 33 several minutes before the crash.

Yeah that didn’t register with anyone. The shortest, least used one. And there are only three runways.

[Anonymous]

Now hearing that the ATC scopes showed a Collision Avoidance alarm for 16 seconds before impact. Count that out. And the. Ask if having half the number of controllers is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:someone posted above that the McLean address was the Saudi Embassy. So just affiliated with it?

Saudis own a lot of property in McLean. Doesn’t mean it is the embassy though.
I heard they own several properties off of Chain Bridge and overlooking the Potomac too.

If you start researching, you’ll see a lot of foreign people own houses around here and some remain empty for years as in Potomac.

Saudis have been buying up the houses on chain bridge road overlooking the Potomac for a few years now. Kind of mysterious as they try very hard to keep their identities hidden for the transactions. They even bought the Robb property after the fire - who knows what they’re up but it’s pretty nice (and nicely positioned) real estate

Yeah. Saudi (and China) government has bought a lot of US real estate and we should really have rules about this. It’s seriously inflating our housing costs.