Trump tariffs: ruin U.S. economy until 2040

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bookmarking this and going to come back in December. All this speculation isn’t worth anything. The shelves were supposed to be empty and the S&P was supposed to be at 3,000 according to the sky is always falling crowd on here. Gas prices and housing prices are down so the only leg of inflation left to tackle is goods / groceries. If the market is “flooded” with Chinese goods that means inflation will come down because of supply / demand and all that’s left is grocery prices. After that the Fed lowers rates and we’re at 6,500 for the S&P at the end of the year. Book it.

There is a current disruption in the supply that we will experience in a month or so, but perhaps with this pause, and the pre-stocking that took place, we may not feel it too much.

But...the damage is done. Our trade with the closest allies is damaged significantly to the extent that there are international boycotts against US products and the reliability as a trading partner is tarnished and the damage to the dollar is significant.

Then why did the stock market react the way it did?

Everyone was predicting bare shelves now or any day now, and you’re saying it’s a month or so away.

The stock reacted to Trump retracting his idiotic trade war with China. The markets were happy that Trump ended his tantrum.

You’re not convincing me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bookmarking this and going to come back in December. All this speculation isn’t worth anything. The shelves were supposed to be empty and the S&P was supposed to be at 3,000 according to the sky is always falling crowd on here. Gas prices and housing prices are down so the only leg of inflation left to tackle is goods / groceries. If the market is “flooded” with Chinese goods that means inflation will come down because of supply / demand and all that’s left is grocery prices. After that the Fed lowers rates and we’re at 6,500 for the S&P at the end of the year. Book it.

There is a current disruption in the supply that we will experience in a month or so, but perhaps with this pause, and the pre-stocking that took place, we may not feel it too much.

But...the damage is done. Our trade with the closest allies is damaged significantly to the extent that there are international boycotts against US products and the reliability as a trading partner is tarnished and the damage to the dollar is significant.

Then why did the stock market react the way it did?

Everyone was predicting bare shelves now or any day now, and you’re saying it’s a month or so away.

The stock reacted to Trump retracting his idiotic trade war with China. The markets were happy that Trump ended his tantrum.

You’re not convincing me.

Read any financial/stock market headline.

Or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bookmarking this and going to come back in December. All this speculation isn’t worth anything. The shelves were supposed to be empty and the S&P was supposed to be at 3,000 according to the sky is always falling crowd on here. Gas prices and housing prices are down so the only leg of inflation left to tackle is goods / groceries. If the market is “flooded” with Chinese goods that means inflation will come down because of supply / demand and all that’s left is grocery prices. After that the Fed lowers rates and we’re at 6,500 for the S&P at the end of the year. Book it.

There is a current disruption in the supply that we will experience in a month or so, but perhaps with this pause, and the pre-stocking that took place, we may not feel it too much.

But...the damage is done. Our trade with the closest allies is damaged significantly to the extent that there are international boycotts against US products and the reliability as a trading partner is tarnished and the damage to the dollar is significant.

Then why did the stock market react the way it did?

Everyone was predicting bare shelves now or any day now, and you’re saying it’s a month or so away.

The stock reacted to Trump retracting his idiotic trade war with China. The markets were happy that Trump ended his tantrum.

You’re not convincing me.

You are an idiot. No one needs to convince you of anything. That would be like trying to get a lemur to do my taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Care to explain? How is FOX spinning this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Can you post a link to where it explains what the US got from this? I couldn’t find any mention of it on Fox News.com The White House press release says China dropped its reciprocal tariffs and everyone will aggressively work to stop the flow of fentanyl.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/05/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-secures-a-historic-trade-win-for-the-united-states/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I guess all those manufacturing jobs won’t be coming back after all?

Yeah. I want some to explain it to me clearly: If this is what he actually wanted in his art-of-the-deal move, was he flat out lying when he talked about getting all the manufacturing jobs back?

I don't understand why CNN or anyone could call this a "win." 30% tariffs mean WE pay more on good we are still buying from China. And what did China give to get it down to 30% (because at least when it was 145%, we pretended we wouldn't buy goods from China!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bookmarking this and going to come back in December. All this speculation isn’t worth anything. The shelves were supposed to be empty and the S&P was supposed to be at 3,000 according to the sky is always falling crowd on here. Gas prices and housing prices are down so the only leg of inflation left to tackle is goods / groceries. If the market is “flooded” with Chinese goods that means inflation will come down because of supply / demand and all that’s left is grocery prices. After that the Fed lowers rates and we’re at 6,500 for the S&P at the end of the year. Book it.

The shelves won't be empty because China won.

Exactly. They'll be full of more expensive Chinese goods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bookmarking this and going to come back in December. All this speculation isn’t worth anything. The shelves were supposed to be empty and the S&P was supposed to be at 3,000 according to the sky is always falling crowd on here. Gas prices and housing prices are down so the only leg of inflation left to tackle is goods / groceries. If the market is “flooded” with Chinese goods that means inflation will come down because of supply / demand and all that’s left is grocery prices. After that the Fed lowers rates and we’re at 6,500 for the S&P at the end of the year. Book it.

There is a current disruption in the supply that we will experience in a month or so, but perhaps with this pause, and the pre-stocking that took place, we may not feel it too much.

But...the damage is done. Our trade with the closest allies is damaged significantly to the extent that there are international boycotts against US products and the reliability as a trading partner is tarnished and the damage to the dollar is significant.

Then why did the stock market react the way it did?

Everyone was predicting bare shelves now or any day now, and you’re saying it’s a month or so away.

The stock reacted to Trump retracting his idiotic trade war with China. The markets were happy that Trump ended his tantrum.

I love how Trump supporters claim victory every time something goes back to Biden. Everything is great>>Trump touches it and it $ucks>>Trump untouches it and stocks go back to normal.

You don't get points for undoing a mess you caused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Care to explain? How is FOX spinning this?

Even The Daily is pointing out that China desperately needs a deal- their economy is not in good shape. I expect more concessions

[Anonymous]

He’s like a toddler, jabbing his finger here and there to see what happens. There was no “deal”.
The numbers were looking bad, the probability of recession was 60%.
So now tariffs are 30% for 90 days.
Now the probability of recession is 45%. But after the 90 days?

He’s just a stupid small toddler man and the whole world can see that, even if nearly half of US adults cannot.

“Unprecedented trade uncertainty

Of course, uncertainty had almost nowhere to go but down.

Trade policy uncertainty, as measured by an index that mentions the topic in major US newspapers, had skyrocketed in recent months to off-the-chart levels unseen since tracking began in the 1960s.

The sudden reduction in US and China tariffs will ease financial pressure on the business community but only adds to the sense of whiplash. And it remains to be seen exactly how businesses will respond to levels of uncertainty that Wolfers described as “paralyzingly high.”

“It’s absolutely a manufactured crisis,” said Holtz-Eakin, who served as an economic adviser to Sen. John McCain during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Wolfers said investors and the business world are still bracing for the next shoe to drop when it comes to tariff policy out of the Trump White House.

“What are the chances that we have 90 days of calm ahead of us?” Wolfers said. “Today we have good news, but what would really be good news is if someone just took the button away from him.”
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-s-china-trade-breakthrough-might-be-enough-to-avoid-self-inflicted-recession/ar-AA1EDxWs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Care to explain? How is FOX spinning this?

Even The Daily is pointing out that China desperately needs a deal- their economy is not in good shape. I expect more concessions

I’m sure you have a link for this, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Care to explain? How is FOX spinning this?

Even The Daily is pointing out that China desperately needs a deal- their economy is not in good shape. I expect more concessions

Trump supporter: Please explain what the US got in return for dropping the 145% tariff against China. What gain did the US make over the weekend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stock market is way up

Obviously. Trump has caved on the china tariffs, which is what caused it to tank in the first place.

He didn’t cave. It’s the art of the deal. Why no credit, at all, for anything he or the administration does. What is wrong with negotiating and coming to a more equitable and fair solution for both countries. Isn’t the left all about equity and fairness?!

What did the US get exactly? We all have to pay 30% taxes on Chinese goods now. Trump has expensive egg all over his face. He failed.

No he didn’t. But I guess if you only watch MSNBC it might appear that way.

Break it down then. There's no media source out there with details, but apparently you have them. What did the US get? Factories aren't coming back to the US obviously. We're now paying 30% tariffs on Chinese goods. So lay out the upside for us.

[Anonymous]

The mainstream European media is making the US and Trump look like LOSERS

El Pais: Trump y los aranceles: el arte de la marcha atrás (Trump and the Tariffs: the Art of Reversing)

Le Monde: Guerre commerciale : le moratoire entre la Chine et les Etats-Unis met fin à la crise sans régler les problèmes de fond (Trade War: The Moratorium Between China and the United States Ends the Crisis Without Resolving Fundamental Issues)

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: Die Konsumenten bezahlen für Trumps Zollpolitik (Consumers pay for Trump's tariff policy)

The Guardian: China cautiously welcomes pause in US tariff war
State media editorial says talks mark ‘step toward resolving differences’ but Xi again criticises US ‘bullying’