Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds so fake. A transgender person running away from an assassination in Utah would stick out like a giraffe at a dog park.

They didn’t say a transgender person. It was someone that supported anti fa and trans ideology.

This person was smart enough to execute an assassination of a celebrity speaker so I would assume he would be smart enough to blend in.

And I would assume he'd be smart enough not to leave behind a rifle with identifying symbols on it. Unless he wanted to throw people off his trail.

Bingo.

NOT “bingo,” grandma. The NYC gunman left behind similar shell casings he hand-inscribed with similar anti-capitalist writings on them.

And that guy went to an Ivy. Your theory is dumb.

And the Annunciation school shooter, who was an actual transgender person, did not leave any shell casings with messages written on them. So what's your point?

Yes they did!

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter was a highly experienced sniper/marksman. One shot yet so precise from far away. The average person wouldn’t be able to do that. The shooter has some sort of military/government background for sure.I find it hard to believe some hare brained transgender kid was behind this.

Exactly. Military man...100%

Lol. Anyone with an hour of training could make that shot. You obviously know absolutely nothing about guns

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Anonymous wrote:Kirk’s speaking events are a worldwide lesson in respectful civil discourse.

He’s a stand up person, but I’m from liberal Arlington Heights where he grew up and lives.

This is a major loss for the country, political rhetoric aside.

Obviously it was a hired sniper, could be brainwashed leftist American or foreigner.

NSA, CIA and FBI investigators are all over this.

At some point a foreign entity or leftist domestic group will take credit.

+1

Am in the center, only mid 40s, don’t know him, but could quickly figure out this Kirk was out to talk, share perspectives and challenge premises of flimsy claims.

Debate team 101 stuff.

Critical thinking stuff.

America needs more of that not less.

Except he spread false information, and made up facts to suit his arguments.
He also extended the debate from legitimate policy issues to the identity of who really counts as an American. That's not respectful - it's bigotry.
George Will, William F Buckley, Ross Douhout - those are people on the right who I can respect.

Agree 100%.

What happened yesterday is WRONG. Political violence is WRONG. I condemn the murder.

But Charlie Kirk was not respectful or a model for anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Charlie deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He is a national hero.

No.

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Anonymous wrote:Charlie deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He is a national hero.

Why do you think he's a hero? Can you explain your dramatically watered-down version of what a hero is?

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Anonymous wrote:i don't think this person will ever get caught. you?

It’s certainly more convenient for the regime to have this trans antifa stuff just sitting out there and no other actual evidence coming over the transom.

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Anonymous wrote:Wall Street Journal confirms a leaked document from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) reveals that the weapon found near the site of Charlie Kirk’s assassination was equipped with cartridges engraved with symbols and phrases tied to transgender and Antifa ideology.

Nothing from this administration is believable. And...what is to say it wasn't a right winger who aggregated those materials for the very purpose of fomenting division and strife?

Exactly.

I'm certainly not going to believe the administration of a man claiming to be the best president in the history of America or 6 foot 2 inches or 150 pounds or whatever he claims...lol No.

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Yep, that big Antifa logo on his shirt is a tell tale sign.

Haha. The flag and gun image is so MAGA.

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A slap in the face of true heroes, victims, and their loved ones.

He’s still pouting that he wasn’t the center of attention on 9 11 when he lied about “losing hundreds of friends” in the towers. When no one applauded as he declared Trump Tower “was now the tallest building in NYC.”

Imagine uttering these words among the smoke and debris with the remains of thousands still floating in the air. Imagine his selfishness as people covered in ash were trying to reach their family, friends, co-workers while walking over bridges and boarding ferries to get home.

9 11 is part of me, my life, my home. Never forgive.

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Anonymous wrote:i don't think this person will ever get caught. you?

No, he's already back in Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter was a highly experienced sniper/marksman. One shot yet so precise from far away. The average person wouldn’t be able to do that. The shooter has some sort of military/government background for sure.I find it hard to believe some hare brained transgender kid was behind this.

and somebody said something about a 12 yr old doing it. However, CK's body guard was feet away and the shot was over many people's heads with cell phones held up. It's not the shot, it's the hit and that it didn't miss. That's why we know it was a pro and the bullet thing is a red herring.

Your claim is laughable.

Millions of Americans could easily have made that shot.

Drop your ignorant conspiracy theory and try doing an iota of research.

Yep. The shot was high and really not a good shot. Most hunters or military trained would have hit the chest. It was not a hard shot. A shot grouping at that range for an average shooter 3-4” inches and a good shooter is 2-3”. So this translates to an average shooter firing three shot which would all hit within a 3-4” circle at 200 yard.

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Yep, that big Antifa logo on his shirt is a tell tale sign.

Looks to me like a flag with an Uzi laying on top of it. But who knows?

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who say Charlie Lirk was a great person, nothing but respectful, only trying to do good in the world…

Do you think it’s a good thing that his organization (Turning Point USA) maintained a “Professor Watch List”? That list has led to people getting death threats and needing security to do their jobs. Would you want to be on such a list? Would that make you feel safe? Do you think putting people on a public list that results in them being targeted by unstable
individuals is a Christian thing to do?

I am really trying to understand how people can sort of paper over documented harmful actions like this. And I don’t wish to hear a whataboutism type argument about something a liberal did because that’s not the question at hand. It just seems to me that people are cherry picking certain actions and words to only paint CK in a good light simply because CK was on “their team”.

Oh and to be clear I am in no way trying to suggest that CK deserved what happened. There is no justification for murder. I am specifically trying to understand the current effort to paint an image that is not the full picture of what CK did and stood for.

When people die, humans have a custom of saying nice things about them rather than listing their shortcomings.

Sure, for people you know personally. But why go out of your way to practically canonize a public figure you have never met in a social media post, when there are documented things that person did which are not Christian?

I don’t think it helps anyone to act like someone never did a single harmful thing in their life and use that to paint one side as all good and one side as all evil.

Well sure. I’m not canonizing the guy, but I understand why people who admired him are. Not sure I understand the purpose of feigning confusion about this.

The only reason to say bad things about him at this point is to justify, excuse, or diminish his murder.

That said, I certainly agree that the current trend of painting the sides (whichever side you may be on) as good/evil is inaccurate and damaging.

Actually, the only reason not to list all the horrible things he’s done is because jeff asks people to wait 48 hours.

People can peruse his X feed and form their own opinions. I don't understand why people need to be told how to think. Read and form your own opinions.

The problem is that people don’t read or do any research. They go on social media, see posts that do not tell all sides of a story, and become outraged accordingly. Maybe some people who admired this guy would feel a little differently if they were fully aware of all of his actions and not just curated social media clips from events.

And I disagree that to point anything like this out is to justify or diminish what happened. We have a real problem in this country. We’re social media is used to distort or misrepresent the truth or hide certain pieces of information in order to get people all spun up. And I would be saying the same thing if we were talking about say a killing of a black person by the police. It’s a problem if people run to social media and only talk about how that person was a saint when maybe there is more to the story. People are forming opinions without having all of the facts and no one wants to put in any effort beyond scrolling their feeds, which only give them things that reinforce their existing beliefs.

I agree with you that people never go to the source.

But here the source, ie his actual words, and in favor of accepting a few deaths to safeguard the Second Amendment. You can say he's polite and courteous all you want, but that's lipstick on a pig. He espoused views that were extremely discriminatory, against various minority groups and women, and glorified gun violence.

Surely we can separate the content from the delivery? A smooth talker isn't automatically an angel.

Posts containing his direct quotes are being deleted from this thread almost instantly. That should tell you something.

It tells me that per site rules, we will be free to discuss the drawbacks of this deceased person 48 hours after he died.

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Anonymous wrote:i don't think this person will ever get caught. you?

No, he's already back in Russia.

lol

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Yep, that big Antifa logo on his shirt is a tell tale sign.

Haha. The flag and gun image is so MAGA.

I was wondering what the black thing was over the flag. Is it a gun?