ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

For those who thinks NWSL can simply just replicate the MLS/MLSN model and take it to GA or ECNL. Please realize the global landscape for women is vastly different from men.

1, Globally MLS is a 2nd/3rd tier league which does not compete for A list talent. It makes sense to have local academies as a pipeline. NWSL, however sits among the top of the food chain and could get the biggest established stars and the up and coming starlets
Starting its own academies is not on the top of the to
do list.

2, Commissioner Jessica Berman herself recently indicated they are focusing on launching its own division 2 league, with teams affiliated with NWSL clubs , as young player development pathway. Think of it as some kind of triple A ball of Major league baseball.

3, The current league salary cap is about 3M, about the same amount to fund a full academy. I don't see how the franchises have that kind of money lying around.

4, Global player transfer market is still not a thing. Despite the occasion big money transactions involved a handful of big spending clubs. Most of the deals are of meager amount . Not ( yet ) a viable way to recouperate the cost of academies.

5, And who's to say NWSL won't partner with ECNL ? Currently 3 NWSL teams have "affiliated" academies with ECNL, Portland, North Carolina and Louisville. And 2 others with GA.

Not seeing it happening in the next 7 years at least. After that who knows, ECNL , GA could all be gone by then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
For those who thinks NWSL can simply just replicate the MLS/MLSN model and take it to GA or ECNL. Please realize the global landscape for women is vastly different from men.

1, Globally MLS is a 2nd/3rd tier league which does not compete for A list talent. It makes sense to have local academies as a pipeline. NWSL, however sits among the top of the food chain and could get the biggest established stars and the up and coming starlets
Starting its own academies is not on the top of the to
do list.

2, Commissioner Jessica Berman herself recently indicated they are focusing on launching its own division 2 league, with teams affiliated with NWSL clubs , as young player development pathway. Think of it as some kind of triple A ball of Major league baseball.

3, The current league salary cap is about 3M, about the same amount to fund a full academy. I don't see how the franchises have that kind of money lying around.

4, Global player transfer market is still not a thing. Despite the occasion big money transactions involved a handful of big spending clubs. Most of the deals are of meager amount . Not ( yet ) a viable way to recouperate the cost of academies.

5, And who's to say NWSL won't partner with ECNL ? Currently 3 NWSL teams have "affiliated" academies with ECNL, Portland, North Carolina and Louisville. And 2 others with GA.

Not seeing it happening in the next 7 years at least. After that who knows, ECNL , GA could all be gone by then.

MLS is more 4th tier at best. Messi is crawling by defenders and still scoring.

For youth soccer, people are giving the alphabet soup leagues too much influence. The affiliate clubs do the work with largely the same coaches and administrators. Talking like these leagues are much more than a badge is kinda silly.

[Anonymous]

You waste so much time and effort hating on Acadamies. Its a weird obsession you should consider having it looked at by a professional.

Acadamies will eventually occur in some form or fashion because they always occur when the goal is to field the highest level of talent.

The second level Berman is referring to could easily be a college/pro league US Soccer puts together after NCAA gives soccer to them. In that model colleges would function like Academies because schools are funding player development and facilities. You could even have a couple more traditional non college Acadamies funded by the better NWSL clubs that use their money and a p2p youth club money to fund it. The big hangup on doing this right now is some clubs dont want to do this while others do. If you add in college competition you dont need the entire league to participate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You waste so much time and effort hating on Acadamies. Its a weird obsession you should consider having it looked at by a professional.

Acadamies will eventually occur in some form or fashion because they always occur when the goal is to field the highest level of talent.

The second level Berman is referring to could easily be a college/pro league US Soccer puts together after NCAA gives soccer to them. In that model colleges would function like Academies because schools are funding player development and facilities. You could even have a couple more traditional non college Acadamies funded by the better NWSL clubs that use their money and a p2p youth club money to fund it. The big hangup on doing this right now is some clubs dont want to do this while others do. If you add in college competition you dont need the entire league to participate.

You are assuming colleges and the ncaa want in on all this. College coaches get paid to win for their institutions first and foremost, not be a minor league system. MLS and NWSL only have so many teams and roster slots. You are also assuming professional is the primary goal for our top soccer players, many or perhaps most want the scholar-athlete experience instead to prepare of a more reliable future. Forcing those kids to play year round and in a pre professional track is ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You waste so much time and effort hating on Acadamies. Its a weird obsession you should consider having it looked at by a professional.

Acadamies will eventually occur in some form or fashion because they always occur when the goal is to field the highest level of talent.

The second level Berman is referring to could easily be a college/pro league US Soccer puts together after NCAA gives soccer to them. In that model colleges would function like Academies because schools are funding player development and facilities. You could even have a couple more traditional non college Acadamies funded by the better NWSL clubs that use their money and a p2p youth club money to fund it. The big hangup on doing this right now is some clubs dont want to do this while others do. If you add in college competition you dont need the entire league to participate.

You are assuming colleges and the ncaa want in on all this. College coaches get paid to win for their institutions first and foremost, not be a minor league system. MLS and NWSL only have so many teams and roster slots. You are also assuming professional is the primary goal for our top soccer players, many or perhaps most want the scholar-athlete experience instead to prepare of a more reliable future. Forcing those kids to play year round and in a pre professional track is ludicrous.

Yes college coaches get paid to win.

However colleges are schools and schools are intended to educate or train students how to do something professionally. Currently college soccer doesnt even have the same rules as pro soccer. Something is wrong with this. Getting college soccer more aligned with professional soccer is a win for everyone. Except college coaches who will be forced to actually coach and teach players. Instead if always looking for the big and fastest to sub in/out every 5 minutes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You waste so much time and effort hating on Acadamies. Its a weird obsession you should consider having it looked at by a professional.

Acadamies will eventually occur in some form or fashion because they always occur when the goal is to field the highest level of talent.

The second level Berman is referring to could easily be a college/pro league US Soccer puts together after NCAA gives soccer to them. In that model colleges would function like Academies because schools are funding player development and facilities. You could even have a couple more traditional non college Acadamies funded by the better NWSL clubs that use their money and a p2p youth club money to fund it. The big hangup on doing this right now is some clubs dont want to do this while others do. If you add in college competition you dont need the entire league to participate.

You are assuming colleges and the ncaa want in on all this. College coaches get paid to win for their institutions first and foremost, not be a minor league system. MLS and NWSL only have so many teams and roster slots. You are also assuming professional is the primary goal for our top soccer players, many or perhaps most want the scholar-athlete experience instead to prepare of a more reliable future. Forcing those kids to play year round and in a pre professional track is ludicrous.

Yes college coaches get paid to win.

However colleges are schools and schools are intended to educate or train students how to do something professionally. Currently college soccer doesnt even have the same rules as pro soccer. Something is wrong with this. Getting college soccer more aligned with professional soccer is a win for everyone. Except college coaches who will be forced to actually coach and teach players. Instead if always looking for the big and fastest to sub in/out every 5 minutes.

I doubt any of this will happen. Colleges are not giving over a sport. They like the idea if they can outsource the funding but they will not pull the trigger in the end. I don't think you get the purpose of college.

Academies are not a thing for the US. Perhaps a little on the biys side but not at all on the women's side.

[Anonymous]

Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You waste so much time and effort hating on Acadamies. Its a weird obsession you should consider having it looked at by a professional.

Acadamies will eventually occur in some form or fashion because they always occur when the goal is to field the highest level of talent.

The second level Berman is referring to could easily be a college/pro league US Soccer puts together after NCAA gives soccer to them. In that model colleges would function like Academies because schools are funding player development and facilities. You could even have a couple more traditional non college Acadamies funded by the better NWSL clubs that use their money and a p2p youth club money to fund it. The big hangup on doing this right now is some clubs dont want to do this while others do. If you add in college competition you dont need the entire league to participate.

You are assuming colleges and the ncaa want in on all this. College coaches get paid to win for their institutions first and foremost, not be a minor league system. MLS and NWSL only have so many teams and roster slots. You are also assuming professional is the primary goal for our top soccer players, many or perhaps most want the scholar-athlete experience instead to prepare of a more reliable future. Forcing those kids to play year round and in a pre professional track is ludicrous.

Yes college coaches get paid to win.

However colleges are schools and schools are intended to educate or train students how to do something professionally. Currently college soccer doesnt even have the same rules as pro soccer. Something is wrong with this. Getting college soccer more aligned with professional soccer is a win for everyone. Except college coaches who will be forced to actually coach and teach players. Instead if always looking for the big and fastest to sub in/out every 5 minutes.

I doubt any of this will happen. Colleges are not giving over a sport. They like the idea if they can outsource the funding but they will not pull the trigger in the end. I don't think you get the purpose of college.

Academies are not a thing for the US. Perhaps a little on the biys side but not at all on the women's side.

Please inform me what the purpose of college is if its not to educate and prepare students for a professional career.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

Hahaha you speak out of both sides of your mouth and them somehow try to imply that ECNL has more money than NWSL. Ridiculous

ECNL happens to have a few top clubs. NWSL could reach out to those clubs (and GA clubs) directly if they wanted to and not add an unnecessary extra level of management.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

Hahaha you speak out of both sides of your mouth and them somehow try to imply that ECNL has more money than NWSL. Ridiculous

ECNL happens to have a few top clubs. NWSL could reach out to those clubs (and GA clubs) directly if they wanted to and not add an unnecessary extra level of management.

This is essentially what MLS did when they took over boys DA and created MLS Next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

Wait a minute, GA and girls ECNL from a number of clubs involved and events provided are pretty much the same. How can one group have money and the other group who provides an identical service not have money? What you write doesnt make sense.

[Anonymous]

This guy gets so annoying. Its the same blockhead that hates professional womens soccer, acadamies. GA, and thinks the Girls ECNL to College pathway is the only way.

Has to be an ECNL coach, doc, or club owner astroturfing to keep their job/lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Look at the date of this article. Change is coming either get or board or be left at the station.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/u-s-soccer-launches-ncs-committee-to-evaluate-the-college-gam/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

Hahaha you speak out of both sides of your mouth and them somehow try to imply that ECNL has more money than NWSL. Ridiculous

ECNL happens to have a few top clubs. NWSL could reach out to those clubs (and GA clubs) directly if they wanted to and not add an unnecessary extra level of management.

This is essentially what MLS did when they took over boys DA and created MLS Next.

Which is a Ponzi scheme of the highest order and even they can’t seem to make money out of it. The clubs and parents are catching up. MLSN won’t be around in its current form forever. Too much overhead