ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the date of this article. Change is coming either get or board or be left at the station.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/u-s-soccer-launches-ncs-committee-to-evaluate-the-college-gam/

Where in the article does it say the ncaa is asking for this?

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Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.

Yet NWSL just signed a big TV deal because people are watching them.

NWSL does not have the money to do this or really much of anything else. GA has little or no money. The deal here would be NWSL with ECNL who has the money and the revenue. I think no deal with GA or ECNL but if there was one it would be with ECNL.

Hahaha you speak out of both sides of your mouth and them somehow try to imply that ECNL has more money than NWSL. Ridiculous

ECNL happens to have a few top clubs. NWSL could reach out to those clubs (and GA clubs) directly if they wanted to and not add an unnecessary extra level of management.

This is essentially what MLS did when they took over boys DA and created MLS Next.

Which is a Ponzi scheme of the highest order and even they can’t seem to make money out of it. The clubs and parents are catching up. MLSN won’t be around in its current form forever. Too much overhead

The only thing "overhead" with you is the gist of anything.

MLS Next/homegrown/whatever is fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the date of this article. Change is coming either get or board or be left at the station.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/u-s-soccer-launches-ncs-committee-to-evaluate-the-college-gam/

Where in the article does it say the ncaa is asking for this?

Link is right in the article...
https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2025/06/us-soccer-launches-committee-to-provide-recommendations-for-the-future-success-of-mens-and-womens-college-soccer

Committee Leadership and Composition
Dan Helfrich, a member of U.S. Soccer’s Leadership Advisory Group and former Chair and CEO of Deloitte Consulting LLP, will serve as NCS Committee Chair. He will guide the committee’s direction and impact.The initial group includes leaders with backgrounds in education, league and club leadership, sponsorship, and national governance.

The inaugural committee also includes former college players, parents of student-athletes, athletic directors, university presidents, and long-time advocates of the game, ensuring representation and insight from all corners of the college soccer environment. The members of this group are connected to more than seven NCAA Division I conferences, bringing a diverse, inclusive, and informed perspective to the table.

Looking Ahead
U.S. Soccer, in collaboration with the NextGen College Soccer Committee, will work toward drafting an initial white paper by the end of the summer, incorporating input from key stakeholders across the soccer ecosystem. In parallel, U.S. Soccer will begin outreach to college programs and conferences to better understand their goals and interest in participating in the new opportunities or model(s).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the date of this article. Change is coming either get or board or be left at the station.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/u-s-soccer-launches-ncs-committee-to-evaluate-the-college-gam/

Where in the article does it say the ncaa is asking for this?

NCAA is in trouble now that they have to pay players. This is why US Soccer is putting together a plan. NCAA will gladly drop a non revenue sports like Soccer if it allows them to focus on Football and Basketball. The only reason to keep Soccer is the number of female players it provides for Title 9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

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One thing I've noticed is US Soccer tends to call out Girls Academy a lot and ECNL rarely. Usually when referring to ECNL they say US Club instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

Who are you to decide what is or isnt a career path? What you consider "poor" might be considered rich by others.

Such an elitest know it all snob.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

The other option is to make college soccer more of its intended purpose rather than try to make it a semipro league. Don’t we have enough semi pro soccer leagues/academies already. Kids kinda know what direction they want by 18. College soccer will never be revenue generator for schools no matter what gets contrived.

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Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

This absolutely 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

Who are you to decide what is or isnt a career path? What you consider "poor" might be considered rich by others.

Such an elitest know it all snob.

PP was just generalizing that P2P almost requires parents to be well off enough to spend 10-20k total in fees, time travel equipment, etc. and have a parent that doesn’t have a full time job to make it work. The motivator, at least in part for most families is a scholarship or pro contract which is highly unlikely statistically.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its so weird to me that someone would advocate that players would want to play in college but not play professionally.

Would you say the same thing about football, baseball, or basketball players?

Everyone wants to play professionally. Sometimes players never get the opportunity and sometimes they don't. But in a perfect world, if given the option players 9x out of 10 will choose to play professionally.

Wouldn't say they are advocating but look at the median salary of MLS/NWSL NBA, MLB and NFL and you see why pro soccer isn't a career destiny for most and shouldn't be a destiny either. It is presented to young ones as a Walter Mitty dream and to parents as a mirage so they fork over enough cash to keep the machine pumping money into clubs and coaches. Real academies need low national wages so they can try to take advantage of poor kids. That model doesn't work in the U.S. Heck, even stopping at HS or going D3 would be a better path than D1. Hopefully kids remember soccer as a fun youth activity and not a failed career attempt for a career path that never really existed anyway.

Who are you to decide what is or isnt a career path? What you consider "poor" might be considered rich by others.

Such an elitest know it all snob.

Idk, families portrayed in Premier League youth academy documentaries often seemed like they needed their kid to strike it rich and the whole family was counting on them. Seemed sad really to pressure the kids like that. Nothing snobby about encouraging kids to be actuaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the date of this article. Change is coming either get or board or be left at the station.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/u-s-soccer-launches-ncs-committee-to-evaluate-the-college-gam/

Where in the article does it say the ncaa is asking for this?

Link is right in the article...
https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2025/06/us-soccer-launches-committee-to-provide-recommendations-for-the-future-success-of-mens-and-womens-college-soccer

Committee Leadership and Composition
Dan Helfrich, a member of U.S. Soccer’s Leadership Advisory Group and former Chair and CEO of Deloitte Consulting LLP, will serve as NCS Committee Chair. He will guide the committee’s direction and impact.The initial group includes leaders with backgrounds in education, league and club leadership, sponsorship, and national governance.

The inaugural committee also includes former college players, parents of student-athletes, athletic directors, university presidents, and long-time advocates of the game, ensuring representation and insight from all corners of the college soccer environment. The members of this group are connected to more than seven NCAA Division I conferences, bringing a diverse, inclusive, and informed perspective to the table.

Looking Ahead
U.S. Soccer, in collaboration with the NextGen College Soccer Committee, will work toward drafting an initial white paper by the end of the summer, incorporating input from key stakeholders across the soccer ecosystem. In parallel, U.S. Soccer will begin outreach to college programs and conferences to better understand their goals and interest in participating in the new opportunities or model(s).

Uh, having members with college affiliations getting paid to be part of a committee is not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

What does any of this have to do with the age change? Isn't there another ECNL vs. GA dick war thread on the forum?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does any of this have to do with the age change? Isn't there another ECNL vs. GA dick war thread on the forum?

Absolutely nothing.

Until late February, the purpose of this thread was to discuss whether or not USCS/USYS would change the age matrix from BY to SY. Of course people got off topic quite often.

Now, the real reason to continue this discussion is (1) whether there will be any "transitional" rules in 25/26 - such as a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays can "play down"; and (2) general complaining about BY teams being broken up.

Because we have no news about transitional rules - and the team breakups are still more than a year away - people are going off topic entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does any of this have to do with the age change? Isn't there another ECNL vs. GA dick war thread on the forum?

Whatever happens with college will likely determine SY vs BY for youth clubs. If colleges dont get involved with US Soccer and pro teams SY for youth makes sense. If colleges get involved with US Socer and pro teams BY makes sense.

Now how long is your dick smart guy?

Colleges still run on GY though right? So why would BY ever be an answer for them if they are accepting kids to school based on when you graduate from HS?