FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

My kids expected arrival from carson on the schedule is 312pm daily. Usually shows up at 3pm.

How can this be if it's 10 min away?????

Oh yeah my kid isn't being the only one getting driven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

So, the middle school buses do this, but the high school ones don't? Please. In no world is Oakton the same as Carson from any Crossfield neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

So, the middle school buses do this, but the high school ones don't? Please. In no world is Oakton the same as Carson from any Crossfield neighborhood.

They sure do, but ones time to school is highly variable on how many kids get picked up at each stop. Some stops fill up an entire bus if you're at high density housing but if it's doing tons of stops because 1 or 2 kids get picked up you have many more stops.

For example in my neighborhood only 1 kid gets picked up for Oakton and 1 for carson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

So when Oakton is overcrowded are they going to push the Coates and McNair kids to Herndon to make room for the Crossfield crew at Skyview? Because per Kyle’s email South Lakws will be overcapacity with the 7,000 new units.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

If anything mcdaniel just shut off any attempt Meren might make to swap Crossfield for Fox mill into Skyview, or any attempt to move Fox mill out of going to Skyview at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

So when Oakton is overcrowded are they going to push the Coates and McNair kids to Herndon to make room for the Crossfield crew at Skyview? Because per Kyle’s email South Lakws will be overcapacity with the 7,000 new units.

There are lots of scenarios one could come up with. They could go ahead and expand Centreville, move part of Fairfax (Willow Springs) there, and move part of Oakton (Waples Mill) to Fairfax.

Or not.

They are in the spinning mode now to justify their treatment of Crossfield and Fox Mill. There will be problems later, but they'll probably have moved on by the time they have to be solved.

[Anonymous]

Someone needs to FOIA the transportation analysis that McDaniel is invoking. Sounds like complete BS, but what would you expect from someone accused of stealing from his business partners to spend money on an election and strip clubs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to FOIA the transportation analysis that McDaniel is invoking. Sounds like complete BS, but what would you expect from someone accused of stealing from his business partners to spend money on an election and strip clubs?

Or, ya know, just email him and ask for it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

If anything mcdaniel just shut off any attempt Meren might make to swap Crossfield for Fox mill into Skyview, or any attempt to move Fox mill out of going to Skyview at all.

Exactly.

This is too obvious. McDaniel has zero reason to listen to Meren.

And it's not like Meren has any alternative proposal. She never said Crossfield should be moved to Skyview.

All she wanted to do was slow down the process and complain, because she doesn’t know how to protect SLHS without angering the RIO moms at the same time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

LOL. No.

Meren doesn't want to confront RIO moms nor she is in a position to put pressure on McDaniel.

McDaniel's email is basically his excuse/rationalization of changing his earlier position. The final scenario is his baby. He is not going to materially change it.

If anything mcdaniel just shut off any attempt Meren might make to swap Crossfield for Fox mill into Skyview, or any attempt to move Fox mill out of going to Skyview at all.

Exactly.

This is too obvious. McDaniel has zero reason to listen to Meren.

And it's not like Meren has any alternative proposal. She never said Crossfield should be moved to Skyview.

All she wanted to do was slow down the process and complain, because she doesn’t know how to protect SLHS without angering the RIO moms at the same time.

The RIO moms are not Meren's constituents. There may be a couple of them, but almost all of Crossfield/Oakton is in Sully---not Hunter Mill. There could be a handful, but not enough to sway a Hunter Mill election.

[Anonymous]

I’m happy about this new scenario except for two things.

1. Walney Oaks staying at Rocky Run/Chantilly instead of going to Stone/Westfield
2. The Trinity Parkway island going from Liberty/Centreville to Stone/Westfield when it is geographically (by roads) isolated from Westfield compared to the contiguous part of Bull Run ES.

These two things upset me because it transfers less students into Westfield and isolates Walney Oaks from the part of Brookfield to Westfield, and moves an established Centreville community to Westfield.

Moving Bull Run (contiguous) makes more sense than moving trinity island which involves a longer bus ride down 29 up Stone Road to Westfield Road to Stonecroft compared to a drive down Trinity Parkway to Machen Road or Centrewood Drive to New Braddock Road and Union Mill Road.

And with Centreville’s renovation to 3,000, it could accommodate Willow Springs, Eagle View, and the Fairfax portion of Powell.

Think bigger FCPS.

[Anonymous]

There is 0 reason to expand Centreville, there are plenty of seats a Westfield and ES that are close enough to use those seats.