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Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things. |
My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be. We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon. |
I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used. For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022 (92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average? One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving. Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP. South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis. About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS. This was all back of the napkin using data from: https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8 https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat |
All this back and forth about not sending their kids to Lewis and that's the average SAT score? LMAO
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It is eye-opening to see that these vaunted schools really aren’t all that compared to others in the district. They are more similar than otherwise claimed. |
Louder for the people in the back. |
| Shocking little response. |
Because other families outside of those schools are happy that your schools are doing well. The hate only goes one way. |
So to prove that we shouldn’t use test scores, you are using test scores? See the reason I don’t want to use them is because I think the kids themselves are more important than the tests. The relationships and built around neighborhoods, sports activities, parks and communities are what make a home for me. I think my kids would be fine anywhere. I do think strong communities, businesses and keeping things local are better for everyone. That isn’t just reflected in test scores. I am whole heartedly against traveling further, losing the ability to walk to my kids schools and/or uprooting my kids in the middle of their school careers precisely because i think the relationships they have built are more important than test scores. |
| I’m appalled by much of what the SB has done (or how little it has done in terms of improving educational outcomes). However, the redistricting is not the thing we should be fighting about. There are bigger issues like grading and how to bring out the best of every student, not by lowering standards, but by finding ways to bringing everyone up. So stop with the leery fighting about boundary changes and focus on something meaningful. |
DP. The problem is the way scores are handled now. We need to evaluate apples to apples. Do you compare you think comparing your high net worth (let’s say you have $10M) to Warren buffet’s mean that you’re poor and won’t be able to retire very comfortably? I don’t think so. |
Many people here DONT think their kid will be fine anywhere. That’s the issue. Also, boundaries changes are on the edges. If you’re walking distance, you are 99% unlikely to have to switch to a different school. And no, test score are not the only metric to look at. Again, people are arguing that they don’t want their children to go to failing schools, and the data shows that two of the schools regularly dumped on are not failing. |
What’s important to you may not be so important to other people, and vice versa. And obviously the School Board has prioritized a boundary review, so it’s not something people will ignore. |
Most people making a big deal about it have mixed up priorities and/or are afraid of poor brown people. They are reaping what they’ve shown as far as the SB, and live with results of their poor decisions. |
“Most people…” 🙄 |