FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield Voting Precincts 2024

Precinct Harris Trump
Valley 1565 734
Hunt Valley 1193 664
West Springfield 1713 737
Sydenstricker 1686 823
Cardinal 1219 601
Irving 1513 694
Burke #1 1346 659
Orange 2161 1061

Total 12396 5973

2-1 ratio of Harris to Trump Votes. None of the precincts was close. Similar results in the other races across those precincts.

West Springfield voters continue to back the Blue. Why shouldn't the School Board member continue down the redistricting path? The previous all Blue School Board advertised this plan.

Great Falls Precincts

Precinct Harris Trump
Seneca 1595 1169
Forestville 1468 1136
Great Falls 1024 691
Hickory 1660 1062

Totals 5747 4058

1.4 ratio of Harris to Trump. While redder, even the Great Falls area districts that may be at risk of redistricting supported the Blue.

While obviously not the School Board races, the consistent vote for Blue sends a message to the School Board that the county will continue to support them.

Even if they lose some precincts to conservative backed School Board members next time around because they redistricted, they will 90% chance will still control the School Board (and all the other local offices).

Because federal elections aren’t local school board elections. The electorate here is smart enough to understand the difference.



Want a tip to help the Republicans?

Run a candidate who is back to basics,
Incorporate some school options that are located under the county school umbrella (immersion, montessori, BASIC, traditional, STEM focused etc)
don’t talk about book banning, celebrating Christmas as being important, or transgender issues.

Have that candidate talk about stability in pyramids and the importance of having kids stay in their school pyramid for their school experience.

Then, you will win.

Just pointing out that the School Board is not afraid of being tossed out if they redistrict. Blue backed members will still control the School Board. No Republican backed candidates will be satisfactory to voters in this county. Blue No Matter Who! So be prepared for redistricting.

Of course they are going to redistrict. They will move kids around, lose a bunch of kids to deportation and or fed government jobs moving away and then wonder why they don’t have more kids.

APS went through this 4 years ago or so and now they have far fewer students than the “projections” foretold and could have left everything alone. They almost shut down a school because there weren’t enrollment numbers.

Seems a good reason to stop building expansions.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Something that will come up repeatedly in the regional meetings is the need for the School Board to make decisions about programs before the consultants starts coming up with boundary scenarios.

It’s not just AAP. Many would like to see AP at every high school so people aren’t redistricted into IB schools against their will.

Also whether they're planning on moving 6th grade to MS/SS.

Moving 6th grade away from ES won’t work because of the facility setup and inertia, but it happens all over the county. My ES in the Midwest was K-4.

So was DH’s ES.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield Voting Precincts 2024

Precinct Harris Trump
Valley 1565 734
Hunt Valley 1193 664
West Springfield 1713 737
Sydenstricker 1686 823
Cardinal 1219 601
Irving 1513 694
Burke #1 1346 659
Orange 2161 1061

Total 12396 5973

2-1 ratio of Harris to Trump Votes. None of the precincts was close. Similar results in the other races across those precincts.

West Springfield voters continue to back the Blue. Why shouldn't the School Board member continue down the redistricting path? The previous all Blue School Board advertised this plan.

Great Falls Precincts

Precinct Harris Trump
Seneca 1595 1169
Forestville 1468 1136
Great Falls 1024 691
Hickory 1660 1062

Totals 5747 4058

1.4 ratio of Harris to Trump. While redder, even the Great Falls area districts that may be at risk of redistricting supported the Blue.

While obviously not the School Board races, the consistent vote for Blue sends a message to the School Board that the county will continue to support them.

Even if they lose some precincts to conservative backed School Board members next time around because they redistricted, they will 90% chance will still control the School Board (and all the other local offices).

Because federal elections aren’t local school board elections. The electorate here is smart enough to understand the difference.



Want a tip to help the Republicans?

Run a candidate who is back to basics,
Incorporate some school options that are located under the county school umbrella (immersion, montessori, BASIC, traditional, STEM focused etc)
don’t talk about book banning, celebrating Christmas as being important, or transgender issues.

Have that candidate talk about stability in pyramids and the importance of having kids stay in their school pyramid for their school experience.

Then, you will win.

Just pointing out that the School Board is not afraid of being tossed out if they redistrict. Blue backed members will still control the School Board. No Republican backed candidates will be satisfactory to voters in this county. Blue No Matter Who! So be prepared for redistricting.

Of course they are going to redistrict. They will move kids around, lose a bunch of kids to deportation and or fed government jobs moving away and then wonder why they don’t have more kids.

APS went through this 4 years ago or so and now they have far fewer students than the “projections” foretold and could have left everything alone. They almost shut down a school because there weren’t enrollment numbers.

Seems a good reason to stop building expansions.

W-L was recently expanded and they are using the additional space now as the enrollment there approaches 2700 kids. FCPS on the other has failed to expand schools that deserved additions and now people are on edge about boundary changes, included boundary changes that could have ripple effects.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

DP. Re: the bolded, going to take issue with that. Absolutely no one in the county gives two $hits whether Langley's boundaries are changed - except the families who will actually be affected, their friends who live closer to Langley, and the psycho obsessives who fall into neither group but simply want to screw this community to assuage their own pathetic insecurity. That's it. No one else in the county is fretting and fixating on this small group of families. They are worried about THEIR OWN CHILDREN, like normal people.

I said most people would be indifferent or happy if Langley’s boundaries are changed. Indifferent = not caring.

Unfortunately for Great Falls, it appears some of those in the latter camp are School Board members, and they may well steamroll the Langley crowd, whose local influence has waned. Calling them “psycho obsessives” when they see themselves just doing their jobs won’t help you much either.

Can't wait for karma to catch up with you.

This whole “karma” thing is stupid. Getting redistricted to a different high school happens. It isn’t divine retribution.

Sure, but that was directed toward those who are fixated on redistricting *other people's kids* - and think their own kids will be safe from rezoning.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Something that will come up repeatedly in the regional meetings is the need for the School Board to make decisions about programs before the consultants starts coming up with boundary scenarios.

It’s not just AAP. Many would like to see AP at every high school so people aren’t redistricted into IB schools against their will.

Also whether they're planning on moving 6th grade to MS/SS.

This idea is so stupid, I can't believe they are even entertaining it.

DP. I don't think they are? Seems like it's just a couple of wacko posters on this thread who keep claiming this will happen when it won't.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing much new content on this thread, just the same Langley posters repeating the same grievances and then demanding every night that they have the last word.

Maybe come back when you actually have some new ideas or information to share.

Oh, the irony!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing much new content on this thread, just the same Langley posters repeating the same grievances and then demanding every night that they have the last word.

Maybe come back when you actually have some new ideas or information to share.

You could also just ignore the thread, right? It’s not all about catering to you.

I’m interested in the topic, just not seeing the same complaints over and over again from the same handful of Langley posters.

We get it - you don’t want to be redistricted to Herndon; it could only ever happen as part of an “equity push” to “stick it” to Great Falls; and you might just have to pick up all your marbles and leave the county now.

Nothing you haven’t said dozens of times before.

DP. Um... the people who keep bringing up Langley (like you) are the ones who have run this thread into the ground with YOUR constant complaints. What school do your kids attend?

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Does anybody have an a idea of the timeframe when any (if any) redistricting would take place?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have an a idea of the timeframe when any (if any) redistricting would take place?

No. This entire thread is completely speculative. No one has any idea at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody have an a idea of the timeframe when any (if any) redistricting would take place?

No. This entire thread is completely speculative. No one has any idea at all.

FCPS has a timeline that contemplates the approval of boundary changes in late 2025 so implementation would begin in the fall of 2026.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious, does anyone on this forum think it is a problem for West Springfield to have 1100-1200 more students than Lewis? With Lewis being a large outlier from the rest of the FCPS high schools in terms of enrollment. These schools are next door, and West Springfield is over design capacity (a fact from the CIP).

Does that concern anyone? Or is it just tough s^% for Lewis and that community?

At the high school level there isn't a single bigger argument for redistricting than the West Springfield / Lewis difference - so if that doesn't happen then there really shouldn't be any change at the high school level. You can send some Edison kids to Lewis at the same time since it is also over design capacity.

I think it helps the low income kids more to have smaller class sizes where they can confidently practice their English skills and gives them more attention. That is the entire idea behind ESL classes anyway- smaller groups with more talking time.

Lewis is not simply comprised of low-income kids who need to practice their English skills.

There are enough that the scores are low and the school needs teen saviors.

I agree it is eye roll worthy, but that is exactly what the board is doing. Expecting that moving teens with higher test scores will help “save” a school. It is absolutely eye- roll material, but it is also absolutely what they are attempting to do.

🙄 🙄 🙄 🥱

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield Voting Precincts 2024

Precinct Harris Trump
Valley 1565 734
Hunt Valley 1193 664
West Springfield 1713 737
Sydenstricker 1686 823
Cardinal 1219 601
Irving 1513 694
Burke #1 1346 659
Orange 2161 1061

Total 12396 5973

2-1 ratio of Harris to Trump Votes. None of the precincts was close. Similar results in the other races across those precincts.

West Springfield voters continue to back the Blue. Why shouldn't the School Board member continue down the redistricting path? The previous all Blue School Board advertised this plan.

Great Falls Precincts

Precinct Harris Trump
Seneca 1595 1169
Forestville 1468 1136
Great Falls 1024 691
Hickory 1660 1062

Totals 5747 4058

1.4 ratio of Harris to Trump. While redder, even the Great Falls area districts that may be at risk of redistricting supported the Blue.

While obviously not the School Board races, the consistent vote for Blue sends a message to the School Board that the county will continue to support them.

Even if they lose some precincts to conservative backed School Board members next time around because they redistricted, they will 90% chance will still control the School Board (and all the other local offices).

Because federal elections aren’t local school board elections. The electorate here is smart enough to understand the difference.



Want a tip to help the Republicans?

Run a candidate who is back to basics,
Incorporate some school options that are located under the county school umbrella (immersion, montessori, BASIC, traditional, STEM focused etc)
don’t talk about book banning, celebrating Christmas as being important, or transgender issues.

Have that candidate talk about stability in pyramids and the importance of having kids stay in their school pyramid for their school experience.

Then, you will win.

Just pointing out that the School Board is not afraid of being tossed out if they redistrict. Blue backed members will still control the School Board. No Republican backed candidates will be satisfactory to voters in this county. Blue No Matter Who! So be prepared for redistricting.

Of course they are going to redistrict. They will move kids around, lose a bunch of kids to deportation and or fed government jobs moving away and then wonder why they don’t have more kids.

APS went through this 4 years ago or so and now they have far fewer students than the “projections” foretold and could have left everything alone. They almost shut down a school because there weren’t enrollment numbers.

Seems a good reason to stop building expansions.

W-L was recently expanded and they are using the additional space now as the enrollment there approaches 2700 kids. FCPS on the other has failed to expand schools that deserved additions and now people are on edge about boundary changes, included boundary changes that could have ripple effects.

🤷‍♀️ oh well. These are the people people voted for. Now you can suffer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?