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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

No the students reported seeing the exact same questions.

We get it! It's been discussed ad nauseam and is well documented here and elsewhere.

If you want it to stop being mentioned, do two things:

1) Tell all of the #fakenews people to shut up;

2) Stop advocating for standardized exams as part of admissions processes.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

No the students reported seeing the exact same questions.

We get it! It's been discussed ad nauseam and is well documented here and elsewhere.

If you want it to stop being mentioned, do two things:

1) Tell all of the #fakenews people to shut up;

2) Stop advocating for standardized exams as part of admissions processes.

The fact that some who could afford expensive prep classes got to see the exam in advance seemed horribly unfair.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

No the students reported seeing the exact same questions.

We get it! It's been discussed ad nauseam and is well documented here and elsewhere.

If you want it to stop being mentioned, do two things:

1) Tell all of the #fakenews people to shut up;

2) Stop advocating for standardized exams as part of admissions processes.

The fact that some who could afford expensive prep classes got to see the exam in advance seemed horribly unfair.

Absolutely. They didn't see the whole exam, to be sure, but to have seen the question types beforehand when the whole point of the exam is to test how you solve problems you've never seen before is HUGELY problematic.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

Thank you for explaining this so coherently.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

Thank you. It's important to understand exactly the nature of this issue, and I'm glad people are recognizing it as such.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

Thank you. It's important to understand exactly the nature of this issue, and I'm glad people are recognizing it as such.

Agree I've read prep kids only got some of the questions in advance.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

Thank you. It's important to understand exactly the nature of this issue, and I'm glad people are recognizing it as such.

Agree I've read prep kids only got some of the questions in advance.

It's really a shame that those who shelled out for prep had such an advantage on the admissions process under the old system, but I can see why most of the kids that got in went to these places. I mean it's not fair when you have to compete against people who saw half the questions prior to the test.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

Thank you. It's important to understand exactly the nature of this issue, and I'm glad people are recognizing it as such.

Agree I've read prep kids only got some of the questions in advance.

BINGO!

[Anonymous]

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

That is not what some are asserting here, but rather they saw the whole test and that students claimed as much. I know people who went to Curie and said they did not see the exact questions, it is general prep. Your explanation here makes sense.

Thank you. It's important to understand exactly the nature of this issue, and I'm glad people are recognizing it as such.

Agree I've read prep kids only got some of the questions in advance.

BINGO!

You need to improve your vocabulary, bingo man

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses multiple test forms in each of their testing windows so all of the students do not see the same questions. They draw their questions from a question bank, and it does happen (again, as with all standardized exams) that questions are repeated.

What happened at Curie is that students took the Quant-Q exam as part of their TJ admissions process, memorized them, and brought them back to Curie. This is problematic because they had signed a pledge not to do exactly that, because the Quant-Q (unlike the SAT or most standardized exams) relies on the students never having seen questions of their type before in order to assess their problem-solving skills. It doesn't test whether or not you know how to solve a specific type of problem - it tests whether or not you have the ability to solve a problem you've never seen before quickly and efficiently.

As I've mentioned repeatedly elsewhere, the Quant-Q would be a phenomenal exam to assess whether or not a student is a good fit for TJ IF AND ONLY IF they have not seen questions of that type before. It becomes less than useless, and indeed becomes a confounding variable in the admissions process, when a huge chunk of the students walk in already knowing how to solve its problems. It is no accident that the percentage of Asian students at TJ plummeted in the Class of 2022, which was the first year that the exam was used, and then magically and mysteriously returned to its previous heights in the two years afterwards.

No one reasonable is asserting that students at Curie saw all of the questions on the Quant-Q before taking the test to get into TJ. Reasonable people are aware that students at Curie saw SOME of the questions beforehand and had paid thousands of dollars to learn how to solve ALL of the question TYPES before sitting for the exam.

Thank you for explaining this so coherently.

red herring. meant to distract from core issue of racist strategy. tests could easily have been changed to make it non preppable. but wasn't done. bingo!

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Meh. The % of Asians is still overwhelming high while URMs are still quite low.

They can and should fix the AAP va base center issue but I like the new angle of a certain minimum # of slots for each MS. Even with that attendees are heavily concentrated in certain areas but this helps spread it out a bit at least

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. The % of Asians is still overwhelming high while URMs are still quite low.

They can and should fix the AAP va base center issue but I like the new angle of a certain minimum # of slots for each MS. Even with that attendees are heavily concentrated in certain areas but this helps spread it out a bit at least

bingo. won't rest till we can teach those uppity asians a lesson.

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#veryfakenews. FCPS did not even raise or allege there was cheating on the exam or that the same questions were used in the lawsuit defending their changes to the admissions criteria. Why? Because it didn't happen.

They probably gave kids some sample questions, general form, not the specific questions. Unless the test center was so lazy they took the money and just reused old questions.

No the students reported seeing the exact same questions.

We get it! It's been discussed ad nauseam and is well documented here and elsewhere.

If you want it to stop being mentioned, do two things:

1) Tell all of the #fakenews people to shut up;

2) Stop advocating for standardized exams as part of admissions processes.

The fact that some who could afford expensive prep classes got to see the exam in advance seemed horribly unfair.

Absolutely. They didn't see the whole exam, to be sure, but to have seen the question types beforehand when the whole point of the exam is to test how you solve problems you've never seen before is HUGELY problematic.

It wasn't just the question types. Several claimed they had seen several of the exact same questions. The speculation was they had come from a question bank compiled over years by debriefing kids who had taken the exam in years past but who knows...

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. The % of Asians is still overwhelming high while URMs are still quite low.

They can and should fix the AAP va base center issue but I like the new angle of a certain minimum # of slots for each MS. Even with that attendees are heavily concentrated in certain areas but this helps spread it out a bit at least

bingo. won't rest till we can teach those uppity asians a lesson.

yep. we won't do the work. let's just accuse them of cheating. just say we can't devise any objective test - because we know we can't do well there and just try to spin things over and over. if nothing else works we will just try to close to close the school. bingo it is.