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Anonymous wrote:What clubs do academy style and which clubs have very separate teams that it's difficult to move up teams? NCSL has a club pass provision that allows kids from the same club and age group play across the teams. Do clubs use this? If not, why not? If yes, any problems? It seems like teams could move some kids around mid season if they needed to instead of waiting until the end of the year and it seems like some clubs don't even move kids then. Not sure if CCL has this provision.


I think this is why the CCL created CCL2, so that clubs can easily move players between 1st and 2nd teams. This is the first year though and not all clubs or age groups are involved yet. But the clubs that are involved can move up to 5 kids at a time between teams.


They aren't able to do that unless 5 kids are absent or missing...or they have some kids play down while allowing some play up.

Our club touted this as a benefit, but I think only 1 player played up amongst 45 kids from Sept-Dec.

It makes sense, but doesn't happen.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What clubs do academy style and which clubs have very separate teams that it's difficult to move up teams? NCSL has a club pass provision that allows kids from the same club and age group play across the teams. Do clubs use this? If not, why not? If yes, any problems? It seems like teams could move some kids around mid season if they needed to instead of waiting until the end of the year and it seems like some clubs don't even move kids then. Not sure if CCL has this provision.


I think this is why the CCL created CCL2, so that clubs can easily move players between 1st and 2nd teams. This is the first year though and not all clubs or age groups are involved yet. But the clubs that are involved can move up to 5 kids at a time between teams.


They aren't able to do that unless 5 kids are absent or missing...or they have some kids play down while allowing some play up.

Our club touted this as a benefit, but I think only 1 player played up amongst 45 kids from Sept-Dec.

It makes sense, but doesn't happen.


I don't care about games so much. It's actually hard for a kid to get thrown in the mix of an established team for one game. The chemistry isn't there. It's hard being the new kid in there. Kids don't pass to the player playing up and parents on existing team are brutal because they see your kid as a threat.

I would much rather have our club do a better job at practices. They do zero mixing with upper teams. My kids team only ever scrimmages the one below it...for two years in this 'academy style club' 20 of the kids have never been allowed to do any playing against the other 20. It's wrong. The talent is pretty equal and even imbalanced but they just don't allow it.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What clubs do academy style and which clubs have very separate teams that it's difficult to move up teams? NCSL has a club pass provision that allows kids from the same club and age group play across the teams. Do clubs use this? If not, why not? If yes, any problems? It seems like teams could move some kids around mid season if they needed to instead of waiting until the end of the year and it seems like some clubs don't even move kids then. Not sure if CCL has this provision.


I think this is why the CCL created CCL2, so that clubs can easily move players between 1st and 2nd teams. This is the first year though and not all clubs or age groups are involved yet. But the clubs that are involved can move up to 5 kids at a time between teams.


They aren't able to do that unless 5 kids are absent or missing...or they have some kids play down while allowing some play up.

Our club touted this as a benefit, but I think only 1 player played up amongst 45 kids from Sept-Dec.

It makes sense, but doesn't happen.


I am a little surprised to hear only 1 kid was allowed to move up. I guess it's a good idea but might never really work out as it should.
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When VYS was under the leadership of our former Technical Director (Eddie Lima), we were building a great model for Academy training and player's development. Now, I don't see the same direction in VYS or other clubs around Northern Virginia area.
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BRYC runs their Elite program in an academy format
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"At FPYC at U9 and U10 they have groups of 20 kids who practice together. Each player is rostered to one of two NCSL teams but the coaches use player passes to mix things up. U11 would be the same but that age group was decimated by Joga and now only has one squad of about 13 kids."

How did Joga decimate the age group? I don't doubt it -- just wondering what happened and why.
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Anonymous wrote:"At FPYC at U9 and U10 they have groups of 20 kids who practice together. Each player is rostered to one of two NCSL teams but the coaches use player passes to mix things up. U11 would be the same but that age group was decimated by Joga and now only has one squad of about 13 kids."

How did Joga decimate the age group? I don't doubt it -- just wondering what happened and why.


Joga had been training most of the younger groups but was replaced by the club with UK Elite. At the same time, Joga had been doing its own on-the-side training, which many of the kids were participating in, and decided to form its own elite training group, which was incompatible with playing with another club. Three quarters of last year's U10s and half of last year's U9s left after the spring season, either to go with Joga's super-special group or to another club because they felt like all the best players were leaving and didn't want to be "left behind." I think the current U11s were left with about 5-6 players and had to pick up another 6-7 before the fall season just to field one team.
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Sounds like a good deal for some of those kids and a very raw deal for others.
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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a good deal for some of those kids and a very raw deal for others.


It's a rebuilding year, but I think the atmosphere is better. We're pretty happy.
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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a good deal for some of those kids and a very raw deal for others.


It's a rebuilding year, but I think the atmosphere is better. We're pretty happy.


Which post are you two posters responding to?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a good deal for some of those kids and a very raw deal for others.


It's a rebuilding year, but I think the atmosphere is better. We're pretty happy.


Which post are you two posters responding to?


I assume the FPYC discussion.
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Arlington, Loudoun and McLean awarded Boys Development Academies for U12 age group.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/02/00/58/160201-academy-adds-56-clubs-at-under-12-division-for-2016-17-season

Because the DA kids receive reduced fees, it means everyone else in the club pays for the lucky kids who make the team.

Surprising that McLean was awarded a DA so soon after losing the DA for their older boys only a few years ago.
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Anonymous wrote:Arlington, Loudoun and McLean awarded Boys Development Academies for U12 age group.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/02/00/58/160201-academy-adds-56-clubs-at-under-12-division-for-2016-17-season

Because the DA kids receive reduced fees, it means everyone else in the club pays for the lucky kids who make the team.

Surprising that McLean was awarded a DA so soon after losing the DA for their older boys only a few years ago.


That is interesting. It will make for a nice travel schedule for the U12s who make the teams given that those 3 plus Bethesda, DC United and Baltimore Armour make up almost a full schedule's worth of games. Other than showcases, the farthest they'd likely have to travel would be to Richmond or where PA Classics play in Lancaster PA. When my son did the U13 pre academy, we had to go as far as NY and Boston for league games, which was pretty challenging. I wonder if PWSI will automatically get a U12 team too since they currently have a U14 one?

On the fees, one team's worth of kids seems unlikely to add too much to costs for others at a big club.
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Anonymous wrote:Arlington, Loudoun and McLean awarded Boys Development Academies for U12 age group.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/02/00/58/160201-academy-adds-56-clubs-at-under-12-division-for-2016-17-season

Because the DA kids receive reduced fees, it means everyone else in the club pays for the lucky kids who make the team.

Surprising that McLean was awarded a DA so soon after losing the DA for their older boys only a few years ago.


So how does it work? How many total kids are in it--just one team- the A team? Do they keep the same coach?

Even more motivation to leave a club that ignores the bottom 3/4s.
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Anonymous wrote:Arlington, Loudoun and McLean awarded Boys Development Academies for U12 age group.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/02/00/58/160201-academy-adds-56-clubs-at-under-12-division-for-2016-17-season

Because the DA kids receive reduced fees, it means everyone else in the club pays for the lucky kids who make the team.

Surprising that McLean was awarded a DA so soon after losing the DA for their older boys only a few years ago.


So how does it work? How many total kids are in it--just one team- the A team? Do they keep the same coach?

Even more motivation to leave a club that ignores the bottom 3/4s.


There will only be one U12 DA team per club. If it's structured like the current U13/U14 DA, the minimum roster size is 16, and the max is 23. That doesn't include Developmental Players (DPs) who can be added to the rosters throughout the year, and are not subject to the 25% minimum start time requirements that apply to regularly rostered players.

Typically clubs put their best coaches in DA roles, because the DA coaches and team performance is evaluated by US soccer and affect whether the club gets to stay in DA or add additional DA teams at older ages.

We have had a very positive experience with the DA for our son who is now in high school. If the logistics make sense, I'd definitely recommend that parents with serious players of the right age think about having their kids try out, especially given that the expansion means travel is unlikely to be onerous.
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