Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

The whole “we thought all the kids were dead” thing is clearly BS, considering that kids made multiple 911 calls from the room, begging the police to come in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

There’s a distinction between your action allowing the shooter to gain entry to the school because you decided not to follow basic safety protocols and the kids being shot. One is called criminal negligence and the other is homicide. Try to keep up.

Right. There is no low you won't sink to in order to defend your precious guns.

[Anonymous]

Investigators will try to protect the identity of the teacher as best they can for now. Too many crazies out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

I don’t think it’s blaming. I think it is a discussion of the series of events that allowed this to unfold as it did. The shooter is the only one responsible. The police aren’t responsible for what he did, the teacher isn’t responsible for what he did but if we aren’t going to ban guns, then the only way to stop this happening is looking at what went wrong in this instance to do better next time. Hence the discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

There’s a distinction between your action allowing the shooter to gain entry to the school because you decided not to follow basic safety protocols and the kids being shot. One is called criminal negligence and the other is homicide. Try to keep up.

Right. There is no low you won't sink to in order to defend your precious guns.

Mmmmkay. Stating an objective fact isn’t indicative of my views on gun control one way or the other. It’s a matter of rationale thought. But you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Investigators will try to protect the identity of the teacher as best they can for now. Too many crazies out there.

Probably because that's not what really happened, but they need a cover story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

There’s a distinction between your action allowing the shooter to gain entry to the school because you decided not to follow basic safety protocols and the kids being shot. One is called criminal negligence and the other is homicide. Try to keep up.

Right. There is no low you won't sink to in order to defend your precious guns.

Mmmmkay. Stating an objective fact isn’t indicative of my views on gun control one way or the other. It’s a matter of rationale thought. But you do you.

^^^^ rational

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

Horrifically mind boggling. Incomprehensibly mind boggling. I know police have no duty of care, which is also mind boggling, but this is just grossly negligent.

If they want to play soldier, they should be treated like soldiers and tried for cowardice

Not seeing any cowardice. Just a commander unwilling or unable to make a decision that shouldn’t have been difficult. I have zero doubt those officers, be it SRO, City, Sheriff, CBP or US Marshal, would have breached the door if ordered to do so when the first seven could form a stack. I can’t imagine what they are going through having been told to stand down and knowing kids are dying in the classroom.

I really don't give two sh!t$ about what the officers that were on the scene are going through. First, why was the school police chief in charge when he clearly was not up to the task. And did no other law enforcement personnel tell him he was wrong and push back. Something is not adding up - the truth is they were scared of being shot themselves and didn't want to put themselves in harm's way. That is cowardice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

I don’t think it’s blaming. I think it is a discussion of the series of events that allowed this to unfold as it did. The shooter is the only one responsible. The police aren’t responsible for what he did, the teacher isn’t responsible for what he did but if we aren’t going to ban guns, then the only way to stop this happening is looking at what went wrong in this instance to do better next time. Hence the discussion.

It's blaming. What allowed this to unfold is the widespread availabilty of guns promoted to anyone who wants one.

[Anonymous]

We’re a nation of cowards - that much is clear - and I’m sick of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

There’s a distinction between your action allowing the shooter to gain entry to the school because you decided not to follow basic safety protocols and the kids being shot. One is called criminal negligence and the other is homicide. Try to keep up.

Right. There is no low you won't sink to in order to defend your precious guns.

Mmmmkay. Stating an objective fact isn’t indicative of my views on gun control one way or the other. It’s a matter of rationale thought. But you do you.

^^^^ rational

^^^^ enabler of child slaughter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

The whole “we thought all the kids were dead” thing is clearly BS, considering that kids made multiple 911 calls from the room, begging the police to come in.

Until you can link the 9-1-1 call info being passed on to the UISD commander in real time you’re grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

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+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

The story keeps changing. Now they are saying they didn’t go in because they thought all of the kids were dead. Despite a little girl calling every few minutes begging for help.

They keep changing the story because they're lying. This is a cover up attempt.

[Anonymous]

It’s sickening. I feel sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a nation of cowards - that much is clear - and I’m sick of it.

When will you applying for a position as a LEO? Or maybe Seal Team 6 is more your speed?

I mean all of us are cowards. The entire population for not standing up for more firearm restrictions in light of the fact that gun related death is now the number one killer of children.

And yes, the Texas cops are fricking cowards. And yes, I served in combat so F off.