Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

[Anonymous]

This is the most recent timeline from CNN: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-27-22/index.html

Here's the latest timeline from authorities for the Uvalde school shooting

From CNN’s Virginia Langmaid

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw on Friday gave a detailed timeline of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School on May 24 that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

Here are the key moments he laid out (all times are in Central Standard Time):

11:27 a.m.: Video shows that an exterior door to Ross Elementary School that gunman Salvador Ramos entered was propped open by a teacher.

11:28 a.m: Ramos crashes a vehicle near the school into a ditch, gets out and begins firing upon two people who came outside to see the crash near a funeral home. Civilians are not struck by gunfire. The teacher runs to a room to get a phone, returns to the door, and the door remains open.

11:30 a.m.: The first 911 call is made to Uvalde police reporting a car crash and a man with a gun outside the school.

11:30 a.m.: The US Marshals Service says it received a call from a Uvalde police officer requesting assistance.

11:31 a.m.: The shooting suspect reaches the last row of cars in the school parking lot and shooting begins outside of the school. Patrol vehicles reach the funeral home, and a patrol car drives by shooter, who is hunkered down by another vehicle.

11:32 a.m.: The suspect fires at the school.

11:33 a.m.: The suspect enters the school and begins shooting into a classroom. He shot more than 100 rounds.

11:35 a.m.: A total of seven officers are on the scene, and three officers enter the school, later followed by an additional team of three more officers and a sheriff. Two of the initial officers received grazing wounds from the suspect while the classroom door was closed.

11:37 a.m.: Sixteen rounds were fired from 11:37 a.m. to 11:44 a.m.

11:43 a.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook that "Robb Elementary is under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area."

11:51 a.m.: More officers arrive.

12:03 p.m.: As many as 19 officers are in the school's hallway.

12:03 p.m.: A girl in room 112 of the school makes a 911 call.

12:10 p.m.: A 911 call is received from the same girl in room 112, reporting multiple people are dead.

12:13 p.m.: The girl makes another 911 call.

12:15 p.m.: Border Patrol's tactical unit BorTac team arrives on scene.

12:16 p.m.: The same girl makes another 911 call, reporting there were “eight to nine students alive."

12:17 p.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook: "There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared. The rest of the district is under a Secure Status."

12:19 p.m.: A different 911 call is received from a caller in room 111, but the caller hung up after another student told them to.

12:21 p.m.: Suspect fires again.

12:21 p.m.: Another 911 call is received, and three shots fired are heard.

12:21 p.m.: Officers move down the hallway.

12:36 p.m.: There is a 911 call that last 21 seconds, with a student saying, "he shot the door."

12:43 and 12:47 p.m.: 911 caller says "please send police now."

12:46 p.m.: 911 caller can hear police next door.

12:50 p.m.: Shots are heard being fired over the 911 call.

12:50 p.m.: Law enforcement breach door using keys from janitor and kill suspect.

12:51 p.m.: On 911 call, it sounds like officers are moving children out of the room.

There are so many wrong things that happened here.

[Anonymous]

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In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

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It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her. How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute. How is this normal?!!

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years.

Oh, so you missed the part where he was wandering around outside the school, shooting at witnesses and the building, for TWELVE MINUTES after crashing the truck? He had all the time in the world.

Which is why I am skeptical of this propping the door open story. When I’m the timeline is that supposed to have occurred? Did the teacher exit the building to get her phone while someone was shooting a gun outside? Did the teacher exit the school, hear gunshots, and then run away without warning anyone? Or were they back inside and forgot to close the door?

I’m guessing that unless a teacher comes forward to say this happened we will learn that it was just speculation and either the door was regularly unlocked, or he shot through it, or something like that.

There seems to be security camera footage that provides the basis for the tick-tock. You know hiding behind a car while the SRO drive past. How many officers entered the school, where and when.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

Horrifically mind boggling. Incomprehensibly mind boggling. I know police have no duty of care, which is also mind boggling, but this is just grossly negligent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

Horrifically mind boggling. Incomprehensibly mind boggling. I know police have no duty of care, which is also mind boggling, but this is just grossly negligent.

If they want to play soldier, they should be treated like soldiers and tried for cowardice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.

There’s a distinction between your action allowing the shooter to gain entry to the school because you decided not to follow basic safety protocols and the kids being shot. One is called criminal negligence and the other is homicide. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

How come teacher did not lock the door???? I was reading teacher went back to get a phone and never locked the door???

The gunman was outside the school for 12 mins but nobody checked the doors????

so, tragic...


The school and the police failed these poor children.
The cops could not catch him when he was out for 12 mins once he crashed his car in the ditch??? How is this possible?

[Anonymous]

If you vote Republican moving forward screw you.

The Republican Party has blood on their hands .
The whole personal responsibility crew what happened was so preventable it’s horrific.

The 2nd amendment says “well regulated “ idiots ammunition can be regulated, mags can be regulated and no one is taking your precious guns.

Gun Owner here. Ex Republican. .

About and his video, Cruz and Trump won’t miss an opportunity to spew the lies we have endured for years .

Hypocritical at best Monstrous on truth .

The Republican Party is dead and anyone supporting that utter trash moving forward is a traitor to the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the most recent timeline from CNN: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-27-22/index.html

Here's the latest timeline from authorities for the Uvalde school shooting

From CNN’s Virginia Langmaid

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw on Friday gave a detailed timeline of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School on May 24 that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

Here are the key moments he laid out (all times are in Central Standard Time):

11:27 a.m.: Video shows that an exterior door to Ross Elementary School that gunman Salvador Ramos entered was propped open by a teacher.

11:28 a.m: Ramos crashes a vehicle near the school into a ditch, gets out and begins firing upon two people who came outside to see the crash near a funeral home. Civilians are not struck by gunfire. The teacher runs to a room to get a phone, returns to the door, and the door remains open.

11:30 a.m.: The first 911 call is made to Uvalde police reporting a car crash and a man with a gun outside the school.

11:30 a.m.: The US Marshals Service says it received a call from a Uvalde police officer requesting assistance.

11:31 a.m.: The shooting suspect reaches the last row of cars in the school parking lot and shooting begins outside of the school. Patrol vehicles reach the funeral home, and a patrol car drives by shooter, who is hunkered down by another vehicle.

11:32 a.m.: The suspect fires at the school.

11:33 a.m.: The suspect enters the school and begins shooting into a classroom. He shot more than 100 rounds.

11:35 a.m.: A total of seven officers are on the scene, and three officers enter the school, later followed by an additional team of three more officers and a sheriff. Two of the initial officers received grazing wounds from the suspect while the classroom door was closed.

11:37 a.m.: Sixteen rounds were fired from 11:37 a.m. to 11:44 a.m.

11:43 a.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook that "Robb Elementary is under a Lockdown Status due to gunshots in the area."

11:51 a.m.: More officers arrive.

12:03 p.m.: As many as 19 officers are in the school's hallway.

12:03 p.m.: A girl in room 112 of the school makes a 911 call.

12:10 p.m.: A 911 call is received from the same girl in room 112, reporting multiple people are dead.

12:13 p.m.: The girl makes another 911 call.

12:15 p.m.: Border Patrol's tactical unit BorTac team arrives on scene.

12:16 p.m.: The same girl makes another 911 call, reporting there were “eight to nine students alive."

12:17 p.m.: Robb Elementary announces on Facebook: "There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary. Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared. The rest of the district is under a Secure Status."

12:19 p.m.: A different 911 call is received from a caller in room 111, but the caller hung up after another student told them to.

12:21 p.m.: Suspect fires again.

12:21 p.m.: Another 911 call is received, and three shots fired are heard.

12:21 p.m.: Officers move down the hallway.

12:36 p.m.: There is a 911 call that last 21 seconds, with a student saying, "he shot the door."

12:43 and 12:47 p.m.: 911 caller says "please send police now."

12:46 p.m.: 911 caller can hear police next door.

12:50 p.m.: Shots are heard being fired over the 911 call.

12:50 p.m.: Law enforcement breach door using keys from janitor and kill suspect.

12:51 p.m.: On 911 call, it sounds like officers are moving children out of the room.

There are so many wrong things that happened here.

What happened at the door between 11:28 and 11:33? Sounds like a teacher was seen at the door at 11:28. Then what?

[Anonymous]

Teacher went back in to get a phone but never locked the door???? how could you?
someone share the video link please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

Horrifically mind boggling. Incomprehensibly mind boggling. I know police have no duty of care, which is also mind boggling, but this is just grossly negligent.

If they want to play soldier, they should be treated like soldiers and tried for cowardice

+100000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

I agree with you completely, but I don’t think he said they thought all kids were safe. I think he said they thought no kids were at risk. I interpreted that to mean, they thought everyone was dead already. He was stuck in the classroom and they were waiting for who knows what to evacuate the other kids.

PP - yes, you are correct. I mis-typed. Still find it mind-boggling that they concluded everyone was dead and that was that.

Horrifically mind boggling. Incomprehensibly mind boggling. I know police have no duty of care, which is also mind boggling, but this is just grossly negligent.

If they want to play soldier, they should be treated like soldiers and tried for cowardice

Not seeing any cowardice. Just a commander unwilling or unable to make a decision that shouldn’t have been difficult. I have zero doubt those officers, be it SRO, City, Sheriff, CBP or US Marshal, would have breached the door if ordered to do so when the first seven could form a stack. I can’t imagine what they are going through having been told to stand down and knowing kids are dying in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher went back in to get a phone but never locked the door???? how could you?
someone share the video link please.

Is there a public video? I think it’s just the timeline from CNN at this point.

[Anonymous]

on CNN.com there is a grainy video of the shooter entering the back entrance.
I'm sure there is a video of the teacher.