APS cancels Summer school for many previously qualified students due to lack of staffing

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are not well compensated compared to other college-degreed professionals. Stop saying they got 2 months off. We do, but without pay. They spread the measly pay over 12 months if you elect that but you aren't getting paid to not work.

If my spouse didn't make a very good living I could not afford to do this job, support my children, and live in this area.


https://www.epi.org/publication/teacher-pay-penalty-dips-but-persists-in-2019-public-school-teachers-earn-about-20-less-in-weekly-wages-than-nonteacher-college-graduates/

The point people try to make when they point out teacher salaries is that it is not an annualized salary. If you were to annualize it, the comp is much higher and comparable to other professionals. There are also opportunities to work year round (summer school/camp/tutoring) that would also bring that salary up. And, that would be the right way to compare comp of teachers vs. other professionals. But this is all stupid. APS is to blame here and they should have known that teachers were not going to sign up for a measly extra $1k.

It's been a hard year for everyone so I don't blame teachers needing a break at all. But also, teachers discussing how hard this year has been should remember how terrible it has been for families too. If you are a public school parent, your work situation was god awful too AND you very likely had a significant cut to salary this year for fewer hours worked. For example, my sister is a pediatrician and made only half her comp this year because she had to stay home to help kids with school and couldn't find proper care/help because she was considered high covid risk. Many of these families were desperate for the 5 days school normalcy even if it was summer school because their kids desperately need. And now most of the academic focus summer programs are totally booked. Even worse, some families gave up their spots when APS came out bullish on summer and lost deposits. APS and Bridget Loft in particular are to blame. She needs to go.

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I think many of us are just over this constant shit storm. No one wins, but someone has to take one for the team, and while teachers shouldn't have to work summer (it's in the contract) it's just more shit on parents and families who have yet another thing reneged on.

There are families at all levels who would have been planning for summer school, making their care arrangements and other plans around it. To have it taken away when there are few other alternatives for the summer now is incredibly insensitive. It's the same problem with the school year in that parents keep being strung along and having everything pulled from under them at the last minute. Yes, there are teachers with families who might not be inclined to work this summer, when their salary won't cover the cost of camps, but APS SHOULD HAVE FIGURED THIS THE f*** OUT!

How hard is that? Bonuses didn't work? Did you offer child care? Did you offer to start new, graduating teachers this summer early to meet need? J-1 Visas? Make it work. I think that's all we were asking. The rest of us have to make it work.

At my job, we worked this whole time with no vaccine. I'm DoD and civilians were dead last to be offered vaccines, even though we had to go to work this whole time in person in some capacity. We currently work shifts starting at 0400 to keep the numbers low in our facility, so I have little sympathy for APS to not get it's shit together and make it work. We all have our sacrifices to keep our jobs and school not working the way it should has already cost some people their careers.

We're all fried. Everyone. As tax payers, we expect the school system to work for us. I think APS knows that we can't all go private (unless there are dozens of new private schools opening). A 7% loss of students is a big deal and it's the students with means who are leaving.

I'm just disappointed for the families who were counting on summer school to educate their kids and now need a place for them to go when most camps cut numbers and are full. I'm so thankful we weren't even entertaining summer school.

I mean - I also work there and honestly don't know a single person who isn't looking for a new job and trying to quit, because of how we were treated. Just like I don't know any teachers who are signing up to teach summer school for pennies after being treated they way they have been this past year. The lessen here isn't be more like D** The lesson is that labor is finite resource that has to be properly compensated and treated with some minimal amount of respect. Or you will lose them. People vote with their feet. Always.

The problem is, who will hire you? I would never, ever consider hiring a former teacher after this year.

And what else can be done with an elementary education degree? LOL

That’s the dumbest statement ever. DH left teaching in March and now earns much more, plus has a better work life balance.

After the first few years, teachers have degrees beyond their undergrad and increasingly, even novice teachers were not education majors, but rather alt cert. this means a more widely marketable degree and sometimes advanced degrees. But as for those elementary ed degrees: A friend’s DD graduated last spring, has Type 1 diabetes, and was advised to avoid classrooms. She was hired by a textbook company. She earns almost twice a starting teacher’s salary in her district. That’s one other thing that can be done.

Person interviewing former teacher: (in condescending tone) “You realize this job will require you to come INTO the office, right?”

And yes, I know a couple of former teachers that work for Pearson. They still make pennies. One is always complaining that she can’t afford to put her daughter in gymnastics classes.

And this mass exodus you speak of… how many former teachers are these textbook companies going to hire?!

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

They didn’t go in without complaint. Be clear. You’re literally here complaining that you, a nurse, had to handle a health crisis. Teachers did not ever sign up to teach in summer and don’t get paid to. It’s not the same.

I went to work without complaint. My complaints are with others that are too lazy to do their jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

Oh honey, no one can work as a nurse without a license - which requires a degree. LPNs have associates degrees, but you won’t find them working in hospitals. They work in nursing homes primarily.

But no, your cousin didn’t transition from bartending to nursing without going to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

You’re a moron. Essential workers that are cashiers/stockroom employees at grocery stores aren’t compensated better than teachers. Nor is an LPN working in a nursing home.

I seriously have zero respect for teachers anymore. I’m not even complaining that they don’t want to work in the summer. I’m upset that they haven’t worked all year long. Such failures.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people generally fault APS leadership and admin for this manufactured crisis. There is also resentment for teachers who were very vocal on social media with their Open Coffins Now rhetoric, etc.

Here is a nice and tidy summary of why parents are beyond frustrated and furious:

-APS March 2020: We're not going to teach new material, but we will get the kids caught back up with intense instruction next year.
-APS September 2020: We're going to shorten the school day and cut one day of instruction a week, but this will not affect instruction.
-APS November 2020: A lot more kids are failing, but we will identify kids at risk and reach out to them to get them caught up.
-APS February 2021: The kids are still failing, but we will offer summer school to everyone to make up for a lack of instruction this year.
-APS May 2021: We're not going to offer summer school to everyone who needs it.

And moaning about the achievement gap the whole time while every action they take exacerbates it

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Why some schools shortened the school day is still a puzzle...

I am 90% sure that schools said they shortened the school day so that kids would be on computers for less time and then it carried over to hybrid because the school day needed to be the same length as virtual.

This is ORIGINALLY why the days were shortened - same as FCPS and I'm sure other districts. But FCPS reverted to the full elementary day length when they reopened for hybrid in March (and obviously for their four day schedule now). APS is NOT offering full days for non-immersion elementary schools. There was no public discussion or explanation of why 22 of 24 elementary schools in Arlington had their days shortened by 20% this spring. 2 elementary schools - the immersion schools - had their days lengthened by 20 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

Oh honey, no one can work as a nurse without a license - which requires a degree. LPNs have associates degrees, but you won’t find them working in hospitals. They work in nursing homes primarily.

But no, your cousin didn’t transition from bartending to nursing without going to school.

She got an associate’s degree. And she did work in a hospital. Never got a 4 year degree. Are you saying a nurse with a 2 year degree from a Community College is more educated than someone with a Master’s in education?

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

You’re a moron. Essential workers that are cashiers/stockroom employees at grocery stores aren’t compensated better than teachers. Nor is an LPN working in a nursing home.

I seriously have zero respect for teachers anymore. I’m not even complaining that they don’t want to work in the summer. I’m upset that they haven’t worked all year long. Such failures.

They have been working hard all year. F off, lying trash.

That’s funny, since I often run into my child’s teacher at the park on Mondays. “Planning” my as*.

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

Oh honey, no one can work as a nurse without a license - which requires a degree. LPNs have associates degrees, but you won’t find them working in hospitals. They work in nursing homes primarily.

But no, your cousin didn’t transition from bartending to nursing without going to school.

She got an associate’s degree. And she did work in a hospital. Never got a 4 year degree. Are you saying a nurse with a 2 year degree from a Community College is more educated than someone with a Master’s in education?

She had way fewer responsibilities than a RN. But yeah, even LPNs have more rigorous classes than elementary Ed majors. A masters in coloring is a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

You’re a moron. Essential workers that are cashiers/stockroom employees at grocery stores aren’t compensated better than teachers. Nor is an LPN working in a nursing home.

I seriously have zero respect for teachers anymore. I’m not even complaining that they don’t want to work in the summer. I’m upset that they haven’t worked all year long. Such failures.

Sounds like you’re the failure who can only afford a public education for your precious children from teachers whom you despise and consider less educated land capable and beneath you! Why would you want your children in APS if this is how you value the people who used to spend more waking time with your children than you did?!?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people generally fault APS leadership and admin for this manufactured crisis. There is also resentment for teachers who were very vocal on social media with their Open Coffins Now rhetoric, etc.

Here is a nice and tidy summary of why parents are beyond frustrated and furious:

-APS March 2020: We're not going to teach new material, but we will get the kids caught back up with intense instruction next year.
-APS September 2020: We're going to shorten the school day and cut one day of instruction a week, but this will not affect instruction.
-APS November 2020: A lot more kids are failing, but we will identify kids at risk and reach out to them to get them caught up.
-APS February 2021: The kids are still failing, but we will offer summer school to everyone to make up for a lack of instruction this year.
-APS May 2021: We're not going to offer summer school to everyone who needs it.

And moaning about the achievement gap the whole time while every action they take exacerbates it

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Why some schools shortened the school day is still a puzzle...

I am 90% sure that schools said they shortened the school day so that kids would be on computers for less time and then it carried over to hybrid because the school day needed to be the same length as virtual.

This is ORIGINALLY why the days were shortened - same as FCPS and I'm sure other districts. But FCPS reverted to the full elementary day length when they reopened for hybrid in March (and obviously for their four day schedule now). APS is NOT offering full days for non-immersion elementary schools. There was no public discussion or explanation of why 22 of 24 elementary schools in Arlington had their days shortened by 20% this spring. 2 elementary schools - the immersion schools - had their days lengthened by 20 minutes.

Yeah but isn't this a school by school decision not an APS decision. The immersion principals fought for full length days. Why didn't the other ones?

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

Oh honey, no one can work as a nurse without a license - which requires a degree. LPNs have associates degrees, but you won’t find them working in hospitals. They work in nursing homes primarily.

But no, your cousin didn’t transition from bartending to nursing without going to school.

She got an associate’s degree. And she did work in a hospital. Never got a 4 year degree. Are you saying a nurse with a 2 year degree from a Community College is more educated than someone with a Master’s in education?

She had way fewer responsibilities than a RN. But yeah, even LPNs have more rigorous classes than elementary Ed majors. A masters in coloring is a joke.

Then it sounds like you should homeschool your children. Why would you want people who aren’t as “capable” as you educating your kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

You’re a moron. Essential workers that are cashiers/stockroom employees at grocery stores aren’t compensated better than teachers. Nor is an LPN working in a nursing home.

I seriously have zero respect for teachers anymore. I’m not even complaining that they don’t want to work in the summer. I’m upset that they haven’t worked all year long. Such failures.

Sounds like you’re the failure who can only afford a public education for your precious children from teachers whom you despise and consider less educated land capable and beneath you! Why would you want your children in APS if this is how you value the people who used to spend more waking time with your children than you did?!?!

I used it as free babysitting while I worked, then I paid for outside tutoring to learn the things that should be covered in school. Next year, kids are In private. (Speaking of people fleeing APS, it’s not just teachers, but a lot of students also.) It’s horrible that families without means are stuck with the crappy product that is an APS education.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Physician here. An essential worker is an essential! If you want to be in job that isn’t important , requires dedication and sacrifice and very necessary, then don’t be a teacher. I never once complained that my employer asked me go to VHC to take care of Covid patients. I never questioned anyones intentions. I took the proper precautions , followed CDD guidelines and did my job. I am still alive and kicking. There was no need for closing schools and hiding. Everyone who was essential needed to rise up, wear PPE, gloves and work. We are supposed to be in a different class all together and it’s sad teachers didn’t understand that but every other essential worker did. Sorry to break it to you...masks actually work and that was all that was really needed. That is the truth the private schools teachers and the rest of the public schools systems knew already.

Perhaps APS should pay them physician’s wages then.

Perhaps teachers’ degrees should be harder to obtain. As it stands, it’s one of the easiest degrees to get.

PP is a physician, but I am a nurse that also had to go in. Hospital custodians, and hell, even Costco workers, went to work without complaint. The entire time.
Without sufficient PPE. Was it stressful? Absolutely! But we are essential workers, just as teachers are.

So cut the crap about having “the worst year ever”. It’s a bit tone deaf when WE ALL HAVE HAD THE FIRST YEAR EVER.

Or fine, take the summer break, and then don’t ever complain about your low salaries ever again.

My husband’s cousin left her job as a waitress/bartender to become a nurse. She didn’t even have, or ever attain, a BA. She got fired for stealing pills. So, in short, not all essential workers, in any profession, are heroes. And maybe they aren’t any better educated or trained either, but they are better compensated, that’s for sure!

You’re a moron. Essential workers that are cashiers/stockroom employees at grocery stores aren’t compensated better than teachers. Nor is an LPN working in a nursing home.

I seriously have zero respect for teachers anymore. I’m not even complaining that they don’t want to work in the summer. I’m upset that they haven’t worked all year long. Such failures.

They have been working hard all year. F off, lying trash.

That’s funny, since I often run into my child’s teacher at the park on Mondays. “Planning” my as*.

Sure you do.

That poor teacher. Are you one of the parents who were screaming at the teacher over Teams during class? Such POS trash.