Carnegie Mellon vs UVA where would you go?
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UVA is going to struggle in the coming decade. Parents will push students to get degrees in fields that are likely to be stable or grow - the areas that are not UVA's strengths.
Directly comparing the two schools, CMUs strengths, are those growing sectors. Additionally, even some of its arts programs - graphic design, architecture, will still be pretty stable. |
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That’s an absurd statement by someone who has an axe to grind. UVA has consistently been ranked as the no. 2 or no 3 public university in the United States. It has gotten to be almost impossible to get into unless you are in the top 5 percent of your class ( if not URM etc). I’ve watched the requisite GPA and test scores hit new highs every year while my DD was in aerospace engineering there. All the programs are excellent. The business and undergrad law programs are the best in the nation. A donation of $120M is building a new data science school (that has a Master’s program as well). All of my DC’s friends did extremely well landing great positions, especially from the business major. Three of her friends have Fulbrights; another is a Marshall scholar. One is a Rhodes. Two of her friends are going to Oxford for M.Phils. I’ve seen the engineering programs up close and personal and they are xlnt. I dint know why some bitter person has to come in her and say otherwise except to note that there are a lot of angry parents in NoVa because their student didn’t get in. Every year I’ve seen the number of applications increase. UVA received a record 41,000 applications for class if 2024. Most educators believe that there will a tremendous jump in interest for in-state schools because parents’ savings have been hammered by corona virus. |
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Undergraduate law? Business best in the nation? Very good but try to convince people who think that would be a school like Wharton. McIntire also has restricted enrollment to about 4% of the undergraduate enrollment.
UVA is too far out of line with top schools in the percentage of students doing STEM degrees. Unless STEM is a fad, I'd like to see that go up. CMU is at a relative extreme with about 58% STEM compared to 27% at UVA (including engineering), but Michigan is 40%, Berkeley 36%, Harvard 46%, Princeton 47%, Duke 48%, Amherst (with no engineering) 35%. Perhaps the biggest gap is non-engineering STEM at UVA. Only 15% at UVA outside of engineering are in STM. Harvard is 42%, Stanford is 33%, Duke is 32%, etc. Stanford has a higher percentage in computer science than UVA has in CS, Physics, Chemistry, Math/Statistics, and Biology/Life Sciences combined. Compared to UVA, Harvard has over 2X the percentage in CS, 7X in Math/Statistics, over 3X in Physical Sciences, and 2X in Biological/Life sciences. UVA should target raising undergraduate STEM enrollment by 10 percentage points or more in my view. |
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Yes, the undergrad law major is PPL: Politics Philosophy & Law patterned after the famous PP&E programs at Oxford |
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If you say Oxford PPE I know what you are talking about. If you say UVA undergraduate law, I have no idea what you are talking about. Oxford PPE has been a long-known launching pad for politicians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_people_with_PPE_degrees If there is a launching pad for politicians at UVA it is the (graduate) law school. (Law school in general is the biggest launching pad for U.S. politicians, perhaps unfortunately.) |
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It's called PPL, Politics Philosophy & the Law. http://ppl.virginia.edu/. Not coincidentally, the PPL program will graduate one Marshall who will be going to Oxford in the fall for a D.Phil. (providing there is a program there in the fall) and two other PPL majors have been accepted for M.Phils. at Oxford. |
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t's already doing that for minorities. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-led-program-seeks-broaden-pool-stem-researchers. Also, as PP noted, there is a new data science school, as well. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-plans-new-school-data-science-120-million-gift-largest-university-history. I have a kid at UVA and he says STEM is fine. I just asked him since he's here at home working on his senior project. He doesn't know what you are talking about re lack of STEM courses. He's in engineering. UVA engineers are often hired for managerial positions as opposed to hands-on (Va Tech) because the graduates are usually more well-rounded and have better people skills, not to mention better academic skills. He agrees with PP that the pandemic will result in more applications to UVA, not less. |
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My previous post was about the very low percentage of STEM graduates coming out of UVA compared to schools that UVA should be looking at (Michigan, Berkeley, Duke, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Rice, Brown, Cornell, WashU, Northwestern) and even schools like Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona and Wellesley. It wasn't about the number of STEM courses available. I'm not saying UVA isn't a good school (and I do have a grad degree from UVA). I'm just saying this has been a 40+ year issue they need to make real progress on. I think UVA has made some progress in engineering. Way back when, my high school physics teacher, a UVA engineering grad, advised me not to go to UVA engineering. He recommended VT over UVA if I was going to stay in state. It certainly would be as clear cut now, although VT is still certainly more comprehensive in engineering due to size. Again, look at the STEM percentages earlier in this thread. UVA is far out of line, more so in STM than engineering. |
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The poster I was responding to called it "undergraduate law". That is what lost me. |
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PPL is an undergrad program in the Politics Department. One graduate from this year will be going to Harvard Law and another to Duke. I don't know about the others, but the program is highly respected and it does send a lot of undergrads to overseas programs after graduation for M.Phils and. D.Phils. |
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aka Pre-Law |
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Your child then, is quite literally, friends with every kid that got one of these fellowships from UVA. If this is the case, might this be affecting your opinion of the school? Sorry, your kid chose engineering at UVA- hopefully you only paid in-state tuition. Anytime someone says something negative about UVA, Virginians say they are UVA-haters, non-Virginians just don't care that much. |
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PPL is not the same as pre-law advising. One is a Major with an excellent reputation. The other is advising out of their career center.
But PP knows that and is being silly. These “this or that” threads always dissolve into stupidity. Can we end this one now? |