Robert Frost beats Takoma Park in Mathcounts

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what really matters is explaining simple stuff in great depth. It is harder to do so with the extras in the magnet curriculum. I do believe we do math teaching better here at Frost. Once the high performers truly master a concept they do better in math competitions.

Based on what I can tell Frost will win again next year.

Thanks - this is a useful comment. To follow up, do you think the pacing at TPMS is too fast as well, or are you just saying that the "extras" take time away from kids obtaining mastery. I had thought that it was difficult for kids to handle Functions at Blair without having been on the TPMS, but perhaps that's not the case? (Or perhaps taking Functions in 9th is too quick for even top match students?)

Thanks for your perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:In most recent AMC8
TPMS got over 26 kids in honor roll and 10 kids in distinguish honor roll (6, 7, 8 graders)

Robert Frost has 1 in honor roll and 3 in distinguish honor roll. All of the them are 7th graders. These kids would have made TPMS if it were not cohort

Wait to see AMC10 result coming out.

That's awesome! I knew the admission changes had little impact on student performance. Just another false narrative by parents who miss being able to easily game the system.

So basically Frost had a great day but isn't in the same league and this nonsense about admissions is a false flag planted by bitter parents.

I mean, Frost might be in the same league. They appear to be in the same league. That's great! No "team" should be so dominant that they crush every other "team" in every competition forever and ever. If we make a sport analogy, even the best teams sometimes lose, and the same is true for athletic competitions.

If the enriched courses offered at the home schools are truly incentivizing kids to stay at Frost (or any other school), that's GREAT NEWS because there have always been more kids who can do the work than there are spots in the magnets. Making the pie bigger is the right choice here.

/TPMS magnet parent

There are no enriched courses in any real sense at Frost. They beat in Mathcounts and mathleagues despite of that and by a large margin every time.

Most of the top students at Frost train with Dr. Li or AoPS Academy on the side (both are only a mile or so away), so that likely explains it. If they were solely relying on the math they get in MCPS, they'd have no chance.

Interesting.. because Cogat is an ability and aptitude test rather than drill and kill test, and Frost students did waaay better than say SSIMs according to that chart.

It is, indeed, interesting, since Dr.Li's explicitly offers a Cogat prep course, and it's full on the first day of registration.I thought of signing my child up for their writing course, so I called for information, and their first response, before I even had a chance to ask, was "The magnet test prep class is full".
AoPS doesn't prep for CogAt, to its credit.

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Race wasn’t a factor, and explicitly wasn’t. But the universal testing, inclusion of factors like FARMS and ESOL, and cohort concept all clearly and explicitly were were intended by the county to address what the county perceived as a racial imbalance among those attending these programs. You have to be willfully ignorant to not accept that. Whether that means that the process identifies the “truly gifted” versus those who simply prepared a lot can be debated. The county’s goal cannot be.

Good explanation. I completely disagree with the idea that this new process identifies the "truly gifted." I think it does a better job at identifying kids with a lot of POTENTIAL who are FARMS and/or ESOL.
I am surprised at how some "preppers" as you call them did not get in, and some other kids did. At a high SES school. The "preppers" are great students and will be highly successful in life, but my guess is that their Cogat scores were still lower than some of the kids who did get in and that other things were pretty equal (All As, 5s on PARCC, 99th percentile MAps).

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Anonymous wrote:In most recent AMC8
TPMS got over 26 kids in honor roll and 10 kids in distinguish honor roll (6, 7, 8 graders)

Robert Frost has 1 in honor roll and 3 in distinguish honor roll. All of the them are 7th graders. These kids would have made TPMS if it were not cohort

Wait to see AMC10 result coming out.

That's awesome! I knew the admission changes had little impact on student performance. Just another false narrative by parents who miss being able to easily game the system.

So basically Frost had a great day but isn't in the same league and this nonsense about admissions is a false flag planted by bitter parents.

I mean, Frost might be in the same league. They appear to be in the same league. That's great! No "team" should be so dominant that they crush every other "team" in every competition forever and ever. If we make a sport analogy, even the best teams sometimes lose, and the same is true for athletic competitions.

If the enriched courses offered at the home schools are truly incentivizing kids to stay at Frost (or any other school), that's GREAT NEWS because there have always been more kids who can do the work than there are spots in the magnets. Making the pie bigger is the right choice here.

/TPMS magnet parent

There are no enriched courses in any real sense at Frost. They beat in Mathcounts and mathleagues despite of that and by a large margin every time.

Most of the top students at Frost train with Dr. Li or AoPS Academy on the side (both are only a mile or so away), so that likely explains it. If they were solely relying on the math they get in MCPS, they'd have no chance.

Interesting.. because Cogat is an ability and aptitude test rather than drill and kill test, and Frost students did waaay better than say SSIMs according to that chart.

It is, indeed, interesting, since Dr.Li's explicitly offers a Cogat prep course, and it's full on the first day of registration.I thought of signing my child up for their writing course, so I called for information, and their first response, before I even had a chance to ask, was "The magnet test prep class is full".
AoPS doesn't prep for CogAt, to its credit.

That's pretty funny. I'm someone who never really knew about the MS magnet programs until we got a letter last month saying our kid had been accepted to two of them. I am now fascinated to learn that there is a whole culture out there of magnet test prepping, magnet MS bashing, and non-magnet MS bashing. And is there really such a thing as summer math camp?

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Anonymous wrote:It is, indeed, interesting, since Dr.Li's explicitly offers a Cogat prep course, and it's full on the first day of registration.I thought of signing my child up for their writing course, so I called for information, and their first response, before I even had a chance to ask, was "The magnet test prep class is full".
AoPS doesn't prep for CogAt, to its credit.

Based on the comments above by the Frost teacher, it's weird that so many parents zoned for Frost are obsessed with the magnet admissions. Is it just a status/ego thing? (I realize that the Cogat course here might be at the CES level, so perhaps it's about Cold Spring, not Frost?)

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I think it's peer pressure. The Chinese community there is very competitive and in some groups they are often comparing scores and admissions. It's nice for a Chinese mom to be able to say my child goes to magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:In most recent AMC8
TPMS got over 26 kids in honor roll and 10 kids in distinguish honor roll (6, 7, 8 graders)

Robert Frost has 1 in honor roll and 3 in distinguish honor roll. All of the them are 7th graders. These kids would have made TPMS if it were not cohort

Wait to see AMC10 result coming out.

That's awesome! I knew the admission changes had little impact on student performance. Just another false narrative by parents who miss being able to easily game the system.

So basically Frost had a great day but isn't in the same league and this nonsense about admissions is a false flag planted by bitter parents.

I mean, Frost might be in the same league. They appear to be in the same league. That's great! No "team" should be so dominant that they crush every other "team" in every competition forever and ever. If we make a sport analogy, even the best teams sometimes lose, and the same is true for athletic competitions.

If the enriched courses offered at the home schools are truly incentivizing kids to stay at Frost (or any other school), that's GREAT NEWS because there have always been more kids who can do the work than there are spots in the magnets. Making the pie bigger is the right choice here.

/TPMS magnet parent

There are no enriched courses in any real sense at Frost. They beat in Mathcounts and mathleagues despite of that and by a large margin every time.

Most of the top students at Frost train with Dr. Li or AoPS Academy on the side (both are only a mile or so away), so that likely explains it. If they were solely relying on the math they get in MCPS, they'd have no chance.

Interesting.. because Cogat is an ability and aptitude test rather than drill and kill test, and Frost students did waaay better than say SSIMs according to that chart.

It is, indeed, interesting, since Dr.Li's explicitly offers a Cogat prep course, and it's full on the first day of registration.I thought of signing my child up for their writing course, so I called for information, and their first response, before I even had a chance to ask, was "The magnet test prep class is full".
AoPS doesn't prep for CogAt, to its credit.

So you mean to say that prepping for an ability test is not ok but prepping and practicing to make it to the soccer or basketball team is ok?

Are you going to have your kid prep for the SATs? How is that any different?

BTW, my DCs have never attended a prep class. I had no idea such things existed when DC applied.

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Anonymous wrote:In most recent AMC8
TPMS got over 26 kids in honor roll and 10 kids in distinguish honor roll (6, 7, 8 graders)

Robert Frost has 1 in honor roll and 3 in distinguish honor roll. All of the them are 7th graders. These kids would have made TPMS if it were not cohort

Wait to see AMC10 result coming out.

That's awesome! I knew the admission changes had little impact on student performance. Just another false narrative by parents who miss being able to easily game the system.

So basically Frost had a great day but isn't in the same league and this nonsense about admissions is a false flag planted by bitter parents.

I mean, Frost might be in the same league. They appear to be in the same league. That's great! No "team" should be so dominant that they crush every other "team" in every competition forever and ever. If we make a sport analogy, even the best teams sometimes lose, and the same is true for athletic competitions.

If the enriched courses offered at the home schools are truly incentivizing kids to stay at Frost (or any other school), that's GREAT NEWS because there have always been more kids who can do the work than there are spots in the magnets. Making the pie bigger is the right choice here.

/TPMS magnet parent

There are no enriched courses in any real sense at Frost. They beat in Mathcounts and mathleagues despite of that and by a large margin every time.

Most of the top students at Frost train with Dr. Li or AoPS Academy on the side (both are only a mile or so away), so that likely explains it. If they were solely relying on the math they get in MCPS, they'd have no chance.

Interesting.. because Cogat is an ability and aptitude test rather than drill and kill test, and Frost students did waaay better than say SSIMs according to that chart.

It is, indeed, interesting, since Dr.Li's explicitly offers a Cogat prep course, and it's full on the first day of registration.I thought of signing my child up for their writing course, so I called for information, and their first response, before I even had a chance to ask, was "The magnet test prep class is full".
AoPS doesn't prep for CogAt, to its credit.

So you mean to say that prepping for an ability test is not ok but prepping and practicing to make it to the soccer or basketball team is ok?

Are you going to have your kid prep for the SATs? How is that any different?

BTW, my DCs have never attended a prep class. I had no idea such things existed when DC applied.

CoGAT and SATs are completely different. One is supposed to measure natural ability, and you aren't supposed to prep. One is designed to test your knowledge of content, and is supposed to be prepped for.

My DC got into the CES based on a high CoGAT, and we didn't prep at all. However, I saw other kids being prepped, and found it distasteful, personally. Again, CoGAT is supposed to measure abilities that haven't been prepped. Prepping is just a way of trying to cloud the objective data.

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One time Frost beats TPMS and all the W parents come glowing and singing.
Even Leicester won the BPL too.

But I understand. When you beat the big dog, you gotta glow

^^ the only truthful post in this thread

I think you're right. Frost had a good day but I doubt this will happen again or is even repeatable. In fact, let's follow up on this in a couple of months and see how it pans out. Most the nonsense posted here is by bitter parents whose kids weren't able to make the cut for TPMS so they delight in trash-talking and spreading debunked conspiracy theories.

You mean MCPS admitting high performers only based on peer cohort is a conspiracy theory?

Sure, Fost had a good day, but will likely be creamed by TPMS in the state competition next month. The bitter parents whose kids failed to make the cut at TPMS will gloss over this since it doesn't support their bogus narrative.

The Frost kids are all prep’rd by Dr. Li etc. They got lucky just this one time. They are no match for the truly gifted kids at TPMS.

Go, TPMS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's peer pressure. The Chinese community there is very competitive and in some groups they are often comparing scores and admissions.

This is an understatement.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what really matters is explaining simple stuff in great depth. It is harder to do so with the extras in the magnet curriculum. I do believe we do math teaching better here at Frost. Once the high performers truly master a concept they do better in math competitions.

Based on what I can tell Frost will win again next year.

Thanks - this is a useful comment. To follow up, do you think the pacing at TPMS is too fast as well, or are you just saying that the "extras" take time away from kids obtaining mastery. I had thought that it was difficult for kids to handle Functions at Blair without having been on the TPMS, but perhaps that's not the case? (Or perhaps taking Functions in 9th is too quick for even top match students?)

Thanks for your perspective.

Do you actually believe there’s a real Frost math teacher posting anonymously? This is kind of hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what really matters is explaining simple stuff in great depth. It is harder to do so with the extras in the magnet curriculum. I do believe we do math teaching better here at Frost. Once the high performers truly master a concept they do better in math competitions.

Based on what I can tell Frost will win again next year.

Thanks - this is a useful comment. To follow up, do you think the pacing at TPMS is too fast as well, or are you just saying that the "extras" take time away from kids obtaining mastery. I had thought that it was difficult for kids to handle Functions at Blair without having been on the TPMS, but perhaps that's not the case? (Or perhaps taking Functions in 9th is too quick for even top match students?)

Thanks for your perspective.

Do you actually believe there’s a real Frost math teacher posting anonymously? This is kind of hilarious.

Seems plausible... but either way, what the answer to the question then?

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My kid got in. We’ve never heard of CogAT until DC told us. Never heard of the distasteful Dr. Li either. I don’t understand why so many parents (and some teachers) I guess are so obsessed with math competitions. My kid has no real interests in math. So what?!

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Anonymous wrote:My kid got in. We’ve never heard of CogAT until DC told us. Never heard of the distasteful Dr. Li either. I don’t understand why so many parents (and some teachers) I guess are so obsessed with math competitions. My kid has no real interests in math. So what?!

Glad to know you kid beats the preppers in their own game. We did not let DC do any enrichments outside of school. DC got in regardless. Let the Frost kids grind on. Who cares.

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One time Frost beats TPMS and all the W parents come glowing and singing.
Even Leicester won the BPL too.

But I understand. When you beat the big dog, you gotta glow

^^ the only truthful post in this thread

I think you're right. Frost had a good day but I doubt this will happen again or is even repeatable. In fact, let's follow up on this in a couple of months and see how it pans out. Most the nonsense posted here is by bitter parents whose kids weren't able to make the cut for TPMS so they delight in trash-talking and spreading debunked conspiracy theories.

You mean MCPS admitting high performers only based on peer cohort is a conspiracy theory?

Sure, Fost had a good day, but will likely be creamed by TPMS in the state competition next month. The bitter parents whose kids failed to make the cut at TPMS will gloss over this since it doesn't support their bogus narrative.

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