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[Anonymous]

The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

We will have to adapt, but I fear some of the posts here of "all is well" mean that we won't. We can only do better if we realize we need to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

We will have to adapt, but I fear some of the posts here of "all is well" mean that we won't. We can only do better if we realize we need to.

I think we both can agree that PDA received that message

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

We will have to adapt, but I fear some of the posts here of "all is well" mean that we won't. We can only do better if we realize we need to.

I think we both can agree that PDA received that message

That is true. and maybe some other teams as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

We will have to adapt, but I fear some of the posts here of "all is well" mean that we won't. We can only do better if we realize we need to.

I think we both can agree that PDA received that message

I am old enough to remember how old time coaches in the NFL made fun of the 49rd. Calling their offensive finesse and derogatorily the West Coast offensive. They did not understand it. Just like that tiki taki soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The calls to move are also tongue in cheek. The rest of the world is simply catching up to the US, who has enjoyed a huge cultural head start. It’s not surprising that countries who excel at soccer are starting to challenge the US, and not a bad thing at all. We’ll have to evolve and adapt. Challenge is a good thing!

We will have to adapt, but I fear some of the posts here of "all is well" mean that we won't. We can only do better if we realize we need to.

I think we both can agree that PDA received that message

I am old enough to remember how old time coaches in the NFL made fun of the 49rd. Calling their offensive finesse and derogatorily the West Coast offensive. They did not understand it. Just like that tiki taki soccer.

All styles have their seasons. They come and go.

[Anonymous]

The point that started this thread was that the style of play was so appealing and a DD would love to play that way. The appeal was not because they won! Believe it or not there are some who would enjoy playing that way even if it did not mean winning, because obviously a single style of play is not superior and translate to wins all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point that started this thread was that the style of play was so appealing and a DD would love to play that way. The appeal was not because they won! Believe it or not there are some who would enjoy playing that way even if it did not mean winning, because obviously a single style of play is not superior and translate to wins all the time.

I won't say it's all about winning, but the reason that their style was apparent is because they dominated, which leads to wins. You won't necessarily win every time, but to be able to execute a style - any style - with that level of skill and precision will lead to wins. So, I think their talent level and the way they controlled the game made what they did very captivating to watch.

There are of course ugly wins that happen, where one team simply overpowered the other and showed no real finesse or skill. So I do agree that winning wasn't the appeal.

[Anonymous]

These are funny comments, especially the former, because no one wants to play on a team who loses every match 0-10 simply because they play a "nice" style. I don't think many would find the style attractive if there were no examples of anyone playing it doing any better than that.

Of course, exceptional players can make any style look amazing in being able to execute it with precision. That's the one area this thread has some value in my opinion. It's true that many, but not all, American coaches can do better in player selection. They select predominantly for size (both height and mass), speed, and strength and ignore the intellectual parts of the game.

The girl who is fast and strong with a big boot will win every time with some programs over those who are smaller, thinner, but quick with decisions and/or the ball. These are the kids that you can see sniffing out plays before they happen and ending up in the right position to either take the ball from the other team or put it easily in the back of the net. More often than not, it seems like they always know where to be. The particular style doesn't matter at all to these kids or their success, as they are adaptable and flexible enough to execute anything with a little training.

If we as a county want to stay on top on the girls side and make it there on the men's, we need to stop focusing on particular playing styles/clubs that have been successful in Europe and focus much more on player selection and the IQ side of the game.

[Anonymous]

no one wants to play on a team who loses every match 0-10 simply because they play a "nice" style

No, but in youth soccer there are many who would rather learn to play that style and play against lower competition so the games are competitive, than play on a higher level team with a less appealing style. There are enough leagues and divisions so every team can find appropriate competitors. Unless you are in the small minority looking to play college or beyond and need to find exposure on winning teams. The vast majority of kids have no plans to play beyond high school and would rather play a fun style against whatever level their team can handle.

[Anonymous]

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no one wants to play on a team who loses every match 0-10 simply because they play a "nice" style

No, but in youth soccer there are many who would rather learn to play that style and play against lower competition so the games are competitive, than play on a higher level team with a less appealing style. There are enough leagues and divisions so every team can find appropriate competitors. Unless you are in the small minority looking to play college or beyond and need to find exposure on winning teams. The vast majority of kids have no plans to play beyond high school and would rather play a fun style against whatever level their team can handle.

Very true. But this is DCUM so most of the posters on here have future pro players on their hands, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are funny comments, especially the former, because no one wants to play on a team who loses every match 0-10 simply because they play a "nice" style. I don't think many would find the style attractive if there were no examples of anyone playing it doing any better than that.

Of course, exceptional players can make any style look amazing in being able to execute it with precision. That's the one area this thread has some value in my opinion. It's true that many, but not all, American coaches can do better in player selection. They select predominantly for size (both height and mass), speed, and strength and ignore the intellectual parts of the game.

The girl who is fast and strong with a big boot will win every time with some programs over those who are smaller, thinner, but quick with decisions and/or the ball. These are the kids that you can see sniffing out plays before they happen and ending up in the right position to either take the ball from the other team or put it easily in the back of the net. More often than not, it seems like they always know where to be. The particular style doesn't matter at all to these kids or their success, as they are adaptable and flexible enough to execute anything with a little training.

If we as a county want to stay on top on the girls side and make it there on the men's, we need to stop focusing on particular playing styles/clubs that have been successful in Europe and focus much more on player selection and the IQ side of the game.

Exactly who is losing 0:10 every game?

If you don’t know the playing style how can you identify the right talent?

[Anonymous]

One of you stated earlier that it was ridiculous to think that a player who learned tiki taka could not adapt to and excel at other styles. Now you need to tailor talent identification to a particular style? The contradictions to this style argument are amazing. Talented players when paired with good management can excel at different styles. Mediocre players can’t excel at any style. A complete team of talented players can provide attractive games and results no matter the exact playing style—this includes the top styles in vogue today, of the past, and the future.

It’s pretty clear given Spainish and Barcelona’s more recent struggles that their style isn’t some sort of magic elixir. There’s really no discussion there. Seems that the custodians of this thread simply can’t accept reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of you stated earlier that it was ridiculous to think that a player who learned tiki taka could not adapt to and excel at other styles. Now you need to tailor talent identification to a particular style? The contradictions to this style argument are amazing. Talented players when paired with good management can excel at different styles. Mediocre players can’t excel at any style. A complete team of talented players can provide attractive games and results no matter the exact playing style—this includes the top styles in vogue today, of the past, and the future.

It’s pretty clear given Spainish and Barcelona’s more recent struggles that their style isn’t some sort of magic elixir. There’s really no discussion there. Seems that the custodians of this thread simply can’t accept reality.

IKR? Spain and Barca should take a lesson form how the USA plays and teaches soccer.



You can't be serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of you stated earlier that it was ridiculous to think that a player who learned tiki taka could not adapt to and excel at other styles. Now you need to tailor talent identification to a particular style? The contradictions to this style argument are amazing. Talented players when paired with good management can excel at different styles. Mediocre players can’t excel at any style. A complete team of talented players can provide attractive games and results no matter the exact playing style—this includes the top styles in vogue today, of the past, and the future.

It’s pretty clear given Spainish and Barcelona’s more recent struggles that their style isn’t some sort of magic elixir. There’s really no discussion there. Seems that the custodians of this thread simply can’t accept reality.

I agree with a lot of what you said, except that I won't say Barcelona doesn't have a great style that when executed well still isn't enough. It can be. Barcelona may be having a similar problem to Bayern Munich. No group of players will be top for ever. Eventually, they start to age out and new talent must be incorporated in and given time to grow into it. Both clubs have great styles, though not the same. Each is a winning style that depends on the execution to win. And by the way, while neither is on top right now, they'd still bury any MLS teams and several European teams as well. That's why and how they continue to even compete in the UEFA.