MCPS nxt Boundary Analysis December 14 at White Oak Middle Oak,

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You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I know the 5th amendment. And you can take all the country clubs and the private school land "with just compensation."

Let's go that route first before we mess with the property values of middle class families who are already squeezed.

Where is the county going to get the money to pay fair market value to all the country clubs and private schools for their property?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I know the 5th amendment. And you can take all the country clubs and the private school land "with just compensation."

Let's go that route first before we mess with the property values of middle class families who are already squeezed.

PP here. Public schools, roads and public transit are a public use. You could pay the country club, for example, for the land and sell it to a developer in a public-private partnership arrangement where the developer would get the land - paying for it, of course - if it was stipulated that they'd build mixed-use housing with a good amount (30%+ of affordable housing), new school(s), roads and other infrastructure for the public on said land. There would be scores of developers that would take that bargain, especially in places close to transit and DC like the Chevy Chase Country Club and the Georgetown Prep campus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

Screw their "screams of outrage." Take the land and leave middle class and working class families alone.

Elrich, is that you?

There was enough protests over the few businesses' land that will be taken for Purple Line development, and the Purple Line is definitely a project that benefits LMC. Then for the 495 expansion project which may also involve taking some homes -- again one that would benefit LMC by making it faster to drive in to work from places further away -- there is even a protest in Silver Spring today about that one.

So if projects that benefit LMC are garnering such protests, imagine how much of a fight would be put up in taking high-value homes just to build an apartment building. That's also not really what eminent domain is intended for (though I realize it's been used that way elsewhere in the country).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I know the 5th amendment. And you can take all the country clubs and the private school land "with just compensation."

Let's go that route first before we mess with the property values of middle class families who are already squeezed.

Where is the county going to get the money to pay fair market value to all the country clubs and private schools for their property?

Seling the land to developers who will turn it into mixed-use housing, with affordable housing stipulations, and build transit, roads and schools on the property as well.

All these enclaves of the 1% (whether it be Chevy Chase Country Club, Georgetown Prep, Stone Ridge, etc.) are also screwing up the transit infrastructure in the county because we can't put much needed roads and public transit through them. It needs to change. The county needs the land.

Again, these "progressive" politicians have pitted the middle class agains the working class in this redistricting battle, but tried to get ZERO concessions from the 1% crowd in close-in MoCo who can pretend they're "woke" because they have the money to float above the hoi polloi. Let's make them put them put some skin in the game before we mess with middle class people's property values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I know the 5th amendment. And you can take all the country clubs and the private school land "with just compensation."

Let's go that route first before we mess with the property values of middle class families who are already squeezed.

PP here. Public schools, roads and public transit are a public use. You could pay the country club, for example, for the land and sell it to a developer in a public-private partnership arrangement where the developer would get the land - paying for it, of course - if it was stipulated that they'd build mixed-use housing with a good amount (30%+ of affordable housing), new school(s), roads and other infrastructure for the public on said land. There would be scores of developers that would take that bargain, especially in places close to transit and DC like the Chevy Chase Country Club and the Georgetown Prep campus.

This won't solve the problem. Look at Westbard. Huge development plans, of which probably 15% will be low-priced housing. I'm sure that will fill quickly, then what? Let's say we made it 90% -- it will fill too, then what?

If you offer housing below-market rate, then people will come from all over the region for good deals. Endless demand and limited supply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

Screw their "screams of outrage." Take the land and leave middle class and working class families alone.

And make the moon brighter, too, while you're at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

Screw their "screams of outrage." Take the land and leave middle class and working class families alone.

Elrich, is that you?

There was enough protests over the few businesses' land that will be taken for Purple Line development, and the Purple Line is definitely a project that benefits LMC. Then for the 495 expansion project which may also involve taking some homes -- again one that would benefit LMC by making it faster to drive in to work from places further away -- there is even a protest in Silver Spring today about that one.

So if projects that benefit LMC are garnering such protests, imagine how much of a fight would be put up in taking high-value homes just to build an apartment building. That's also not really what eminent domain is intended for (though I realize it's been used that way elsewhere in the country).

Elrich doesn't have the courage to do this; I'm not Elrich.

Eminent domain has been used for highways, public transit, public housing and - yes - schools. Taking these havens of the 1% for public use and building schools, mixed-use and mixed-income housing (which contains stores as well), public transit, etc. would do way more to foster "equity" than screwing with middle class people's home values, which is what this boundary study is going to end up doing.

Taking land like the country club, which is close to public transit, and allowing working class and LMC folks to live there - within walking distance to a new school built on the same property - would do far more to give them a leg up. Also, building denser housing close-in, near amenities, is far better for the environment that having buses sit in traffic to ferry kids across the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

Screw their "screams of outrage." Take the land and leave middle class and working class families alone.

Elrich, is that you?

There was enough protests over the few businesses' land that will be taken for Purple Line development, and the Purple Line is definitely a project that benefits LMC. Then for the 495 expansion project which may also involve taking some homes -- again one that would benefit LMC by making it faster to drive in to work from places further away -- there is even a protest in Silver Spring today about that one.

So if projects that benefit LMC are garnering such protests, imagine how much of a fight would be put up in taking high-value homes just to build an apartment building. That's also not really what eminent domain is intended for (though I realize it's been used that way elsewhere in the country).

If you think that Marc Elrich thinks this way, then you haven't been paying attention to 20 years' worth of Marc Elrich's actions in county government.

[Anonymous]

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This won't solve the problem. Look at Westbard. Huge development plans, of which probably 15% will be low-priced housing. I'm sure that will fill quickly, then what? Let's say we made it 90% -- it will fill too, then what?

If you offer housing below-market rate, then people will come from all over the region for good deals. Endless demand and limited supply.

We shouldn't increase the supply of affordable housing, because there is demand for it?

This is not an argument I have previously encountered.

[Anonymous]

Oh my, y’all just made me spit out my coffee. Take the country clubs through eminent domain ... lol!

Why don’t we keep our eye on the ball and focus on providing services to children in need and not totally screwing up mcps?

Or maybe it’s better to let the fringes go off on these tangents - idk.

[Anonymous]

It will be far less costly to bus the kids around the county than pay for 100's of acres of land. Buying that land would be 100's of millions of dollars. And where would this end? One could say the PP's house and block is better suited for a school and section 8 housing.

Better and more cost effective to bus little Randolf and Emily to Gaithersburg HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my, y’all just made me spit out my coffee. Take the country clubs through eminent domain ... lol!

Why don’t we keep our eye on the ball and focus on providing services to children in need and not totally screwing up mcps?

Or maybe it’s better to let the fringes go off on these tangents - idk.

So if I'm reading this correctly..... what you are saying is that you would like the government to seize the old White Flint property and build a massive trailer park, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will be far less costly to bus the kids around the county than pay for 100's of acres of land. Buying that land would be 100's of millions of dollars. And where would this end? One could say the PP's house and block is better suited for a school and section 8 housing.

Better and more cost effective to bus little Randolf and Emily to Gaithersburg HS.

MCPS couldn't even afford to purchase the Washington Adventist Hospital site (which was actually available) for a new HS site inside the beltway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my, y’all just made me spit out my coffee. Take the country clubs through eminent domain ... lol!

Why don’t we keep our eye on the ball and focus on providing services to children in need and not totally screwing up mcps?

Or maybe it’s better to let the fringes go off on these tangents - idk.

So if I'm reading this correctly..... what you are saying is that you would like the government to seize the old White Flint property and build a massive trailer park, right?

Tbh I’m not clear on what is going in at White Flint and is follow that pretty closely. But I would expect affordable housing will be included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my, y’all just made me spit out my coffee. Take the country clubs through eminent domain ... lol!

Why don’t we keep our eye on the ball and focus on providing services to children in need and not totally screwing up mcps?

Or maybe it’s better to let the fringes go off on these tangents - idk.

So if I'm reading this correctly..... what you are saying is that you would like the government to seize the old White Flint property and build a massive trailer park, right?

That's not even a dog whistle, that's more like a tornado siren.