MCPS nxt Boundary Analysis December 14 at White Oak Middle Oak,

[Anonymous]

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You assume it's about FARMS and not busing. In one news article about Clarksburg redistricting, a mother said her child will now be bused directly past his old high school to get to the newly-assigned high school. It's understandable parents may not be in favor of that, just because of busing.

I don't set the bus routes, but I seriously doubt that any buses from Cabin Branch will go north to 355 and then back south on 355, past Clarksburg HS, to get to Seneca Valley HS. That would be a dumb bus route.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the meeting go?

Anyone?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-preparing-for-legal-battle-over-countywide-boundary-analysis/

"On Monday afternoon, the Board of Education will meet in closed session to discuss “potential litigation related to the examination and analysis of school boundary data,” according to a notice posted on the school district website.

No lawsuits had been filed as of Saturday afternoon, but MCPS officials said they believe some community members will seek an injunction from a judge, which would legally prevent the boundary analysis to continue.

“We have gotten emails from people saying they’re going to file a lawsuit or injunction, so the board will meet to discuss potential arguments people would make and how we respond to that,” Derek Turner, an MCPS spokesman said on Saturday morning.

Turner did not say from whom the school district had received the emails and did not elaborate further.

Maryland’s open meetings law allows closed sessions to discuss pending or potential litigation to “prevent disclosure of the board’s legal position or strategy.”"

A lawsuit to prevent a board of education from paying a consultant for a study of school boundaries? Iamnotalawyer, but seriously?

What I've heard from a friend who's connected on the MoCo political "scene" is it's likely to be a lawsuit over the Clarksburg redistricting that took place a few weeks ago. Deadline to file an appeal to that decision is 12/26.

Anybody can file a lawsuit over anything.

They'd better have deep pockets, though.

I bet they do. According to one survey I read, 80% of parents in that area were not in favor of the redistricting option the BOE chose (there were a few options). That's a lot of pissed-off parents.

"I prefer this option" =/= "I'm happy to pay a lawyer a lot of money to sue".

If they have that much money, why not just go private or pay for extra tutoring. Same crappy MCPS curriculum no matter which school. Seems like there would be several better uses for that money rather than suing to keep some FARMS kids out of your school. Shrug.

You assume it's about FARMS and not busing. In one news article about Clarksburg redistricting, a mother said her child will now be bused directly past his old high school to get to the newly-assigned high school. It's understandable parents may not be in favor of that, just because of busing.

The new bus routes haven't been set yet.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the meeting go?

Anyone?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-preparing-for-legal-battle-over-countywide-boundary-analysis/

"On Monday afternoon, the Board of Education will meet in closed session to discuss “potential litigation related to the examination and analysis of school boundary data,” according to a notice posted on the school district website.

No lawsuits had been filed as of Saturday afternoon, but MCPS officials said they believe some community members will seek an injunction from a judge, which would legally prevent the boundary analysis to continue.

“We have gotten emails from people saying they’re going to file a lawsuit or injunction, so the board will meet to discuss potential arguments people would make and how we respond to that,” Derek Turner, an MCPS spokesman said on Saturday morning.

Turner did not say from whom the school district had received the emails and did not elaborate further.

Maryland’s open meetings law allows closed sessions to discuss pending or potential litigation to “prevent disclosure of the board’s legal position or strategy.”"

A lawsuit to prevent a board of education from paying a consultant for a study of school boundaries? Iamnotalawyer, but seriously?

What I've heard from a friend who's connected on the MoCo political "scene" is it's likely to be a lawsuit over the Clarksburg redistricting that took place a few weeks ago. Deadline to file an appeal to that decision is 12/26.

Anybody can file a lawsuit over anything.

They'd better have deep pockets, though.

I bet they do. According to one survey I read, 80% of parents in that area were not in favor of the redistricting option the BOE chose (there were a few options). That's a lot of pissed-off parents.

"I prefer this option" =/= "I'm happy to pay a lawyer a lot of money to sue".

If they have that much money, why not just go private or pay for extra tutoring. Same crappy MCPS curriculum no matter which school. Seems like there would be several better uses for that money rather than suing to keep some FARMS kids out of your school. Shrug.

You assume it's about FARMS and not busing. In one news article about Clarksburg redistricting, a mother said her child will now be bused directly past his old high school to get to the newly-assigned high school. It's understandable parents may not be in favor of that, just because of busing.

How much further?

A good way to avoid taking a bus is to move very close to the school so your child can walk, or to put them in your car and drive them yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did the meeting go?

Anyone?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-preparing-for-legal-battle-over-countywide-boundary-analysis/

"On Monday afternoon, the Board of Education will meet in closed session to discuss “potential litigation related to the examination and analysis of school boundary data,” according to a notice posted on the school district website.

No lawsuits had been filed as of Saturday afternoon, but MCPS officials said they believe some community members will seek an injunction from a judge, which would legally prevent the boundary analysis to continue.

“We have gotten emails from people saying they’re going to file a lawsuit or injunction, so the board will meet to discuss potential arguments people would make and how we respond to that,” Derek Turner, an MCPS spokesman said on Saturday morning.

Turner did not say from whom the school district had received the emails and did not elaborate further.

Maryland’s open meetings law allows closed sessions to discuss pending or potential litigation to “prevent disclosure of the board’s legal position or strategy.”"

A lawsuit to prevent a board of education from paying a consultant for a study of school boundaries? Iamnotalawyer, but seriously?

What I've heard from a friend who's connected on the MoCo political "scene" is it's likely to be a lawsuit over the Clarksburg redistricting that took place a few weeks ago. Deadline to file an appeal to that decision is 12/26.

Anybody can file a lawsuit over anything.

They'd better have deep pockets, though.

I bet they do. According to one survey I read, 80% of parents in that area were not in favor of the redistricting option the BOE chose (there were a few options). That's a lot of pissed-off parents.

"I prefer this option" =/= "I'm happy to pay a lawyer a lot of money to sue".

If they have that much money, why not just go private or pay for extra tutoring. Same crappy MCPS curriculum no matter which school. Seems like there would be several better uses for that money rather than suing to keep some FARMS kids out of your school. Shrug.

You assume it's about FARMS and not busing. In one news article about Clarksburg redistricting, a mother said her child will now be bused directly past his old high school to get to the newly-assigned high school. It's understandable parents may not be in favor of that, just because of busing.

You would sue because you don't like the bus route? JFC. Money don't buy brains I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

Are you kidding? Do you really think that the developers eat the cost of selling below market units? Yes, the people purchasing the other units do.

Of course the market cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes IN EXPENSIVE LOCATIONS. It is the excess demand for housing or other uses for that particular location that makes the land expensive. Yes, lots of people want to live in close-in DC suburbs, but not everyone gets to, because the market determines which people find the location most valuable. Distortions like this absolutely drive up the cost for others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread needs a Democracy 101 lesson.

We do not have direct democracy, in which each person would weigh in on each decision. That's a terrible, unworkable, system.

Instaead, we have representative democracy, which means we elect representatives to make decisions. In this case, the representatives are BoE Members, who are fully within their legal and professional rights to choose one of the several options that were presented for school assignment patterns.

If you think a BoE Member lied about their intentions, back a different candidate next time.

But a lawsuit against an elected official for choosing one of several options that were presented to the public? That's going nowhere fast.

It will cause MCPS to waste some taxpayer money though.

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Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

Are you kidding? Do you really think that the developers eat the cost of selling below market units? Yes, the people purchasing the other units do.

Of course the market cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes IN EXPENSIVE LOCATIONS. It is the excess demand for housing or other uses for that particular location that makes the land expensive. Yes, lots of people want to live in close-in DC suburbs, but not everyone gets to, because the market determines which people find the location most valuable. Distortions like this absolutely drive up the cost for others.

I don't know how closely you follow this, but let's start with the fact that the MPDUs at the Lauren in Bethesda are meaningfully different from the market-rate units.

[Anonymous]

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How much further?

A good way to avoid taking a bus is to move very close to the school so your child can walk, or to put them in your car and drive them yourself.

Please don't do that, though.

-parent whose walking/biking kid is regularly endangered by parents who drive their walk zone/bus zone kids

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did the meeting go?

Anyone?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-preparing-for-legal-battle-over-countywide-boundary-analysis/

"On Monday afternoon, the Board of Education will meet in closed session to discuss “potential litigation related to the examination and analysis of school boundary data,” according to a notice posted on the school district website.

No lawsuits had been filed as of Saturday afternoon, but MCPS officials said they believe some community members will seek an injunction from a judge, which would legally prevent the boundary analysis to continue.

“We have gotten emails from people saying they’re going to file a lawsuit or injunction, so the board will meet to discuss potential arguments people would make and how we respond to that,” Derek Turner, an MCPS spokesman said on Saturday morning.

Turner did not say from whom the school district had received the emails and did not elaborate further.

Maryland’s open meetings law allows closed sessions to discuss pending or potential litigation to “prevent disclosure of the board’s legal position or strategy.”"

A lawsuit to prevent a board of education from paying a consultant for a study of school boundaries? Iamnotalawyer, but seriously?

What I've heard from a friend who's connected on the MoCo political "scene" is it's likely to be a lawsuit over the Clarksburg redistricting that took place a few weeks ago. Deadline to file an appeal to that decision is 12/26.

Anybody can file a lawsuit over anything.

They'd better have deep pockets, though.

I bet they do. According to one survey I read, 80% of parents in that area were not in favor of the redistricting option the BOE chose (there were a few options). That's a lot of pissed-off parents.

"I prefer this option" =/= "I'm happy to pay a lawyer a lot of money to sue".

If they have that much money, why not just go private or pay for extra tutoring. Same crappy MCPS curriculum no matter which school. Seems like there would be several better uses for that money rather than suing to keep some FARMS kids out of your school. Shrug.

You assume it's about FARMS and not busing. In one news article about Clarksburg redistricting, a mother said her child will now be bused directly past his old high school to get to the newly-assigned high school. It's understandable parents may not be in favor of that, just because of busing.

You would sue because you don't like the bus route? JFC. Money don't buy brains I guess.

because its not really about the bus route.....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

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You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

Are you kidding? Do you really think that the developers eat the cost of selling below market units? Yes, the people purchasing the other units do.

Of course the market cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes IN EXPENSIVE LOCATIONS. It is the excess demand for housing or other uses for that particular location that makes the land expensive. Yes, lots of people want to live in close-in DC suburbs, but not everyone gets to, because the market determines which people find the location most valuable. Distortions like this absolutely drive up the cost for others.

Quit that "market" nonsense. If it was up to the market someone who has a 1/2 acre in Chevy Chase could sell it to a developer to build a high-rise, 20 story apartment building with 3br apartments. The seller of the 1/2 acre lot would of course get more for their land and if you allowed this for every SFH in Chevy Chase it would dramatically lead to lower housing prices for people in need of 3br residences.

The "market" has been rigged by citizens associations and NIMBYs who want to keep their quaint neighborhoods as in for perpetuity through zoning laws. The "market" has allowed the 1% to hoard huge swaths of land in close-in MoCo for their country clubs and their $70,000/year private schools like Georgetown Prep, Langdon and Stone Ridge, which jacks up the prices for UMC, MC, LMC and working class people because it takes thousands of acres of land out of circulation that could theoretically be used for denser housing if these plots were freed up.

Middle class people of all stripes have been squeezed to the breaking point to overextend on housing to get into "good" schools, and now these "progressive" politicians are messing with their property values because they don't have the courage to take on the landed gentry and the 1% in this county, who don't have to worry about the quality of their public schools because they're relaxing, living off of capital gains and sending their kids to high schools that cost more than most elite colleges. Go after them first before you stick it to middle class folks, you so called "progressives."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Here's the 5th amendment to the US constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I know the 5th amendment. And you can take all the country clubs and the private school land "with just compensation."

Let's go that route first before we mess with the property values of middle class families who are already squeezed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rather that busing we should take the Chevy Chase Country Club and Georgetown Prep campus by eminent domain and sell it to developers to build mixed use communities with new high schools at each site, with a stipulation that 30% of the housing be affordable housing and be available to Section 8. Rather than pit upper middle class people against lower middle class and working class people, let’s put the burden on the 1%. Let’s see how much the “progressives” on the council go for that idea.

It's already 12.5-15% of all new housing in new developments in MoCo must be low-income housing. You can see a bunch of just a few hundred yards from CC country club, down Bradley near the fire station.

And the funny part is how so many people don't understand that requiring below market housing forces up the cost of the other units (so even fewer people can afford the new units) and on and on it goes. Economics is a thing.

Economics is a complicated thing. The MPDU requirement does not necessarily increase the cost of other housing. Sometimes developers even proffer a greater % of MPDUs than required.

Plus the market alone cannot supply decent housing for people with low incomes, because the cost of building and maintaining that housing is more than they can afford -

You take that land by eminent domain and the cost goes down dramatically. There is a lot of land in close-in Montgomery County that has for years served the rich and powerful. Land is taken for highways and other public interests all the time. We need more schools and we need more affordable housing and diversity in those schools. Again, rather than pit the UMC against the LMC and working class, let's put the burden of increasing diversity and getting a better education for our LMC and working class citizens on the 1% of the county, not the UMC folks who are being vilified as "elites" even though they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school.

I guarentee you'd get more buy-in from people across the county (of all classes except the 1%) if you worked to achieve equity through up zoning eite neighborhoods like Chevy Chase, or outright taking over land of the 1% via eminent domain, than by the methods that are being advocated by these so-called progressives in the County, who will do everything to push "diversity" and "equity," as long as it doesn't upset their 1% donors.

Um. I guess you didn't follow the Westbard sector plan saga. Or hear the screams of outrage when proposals were made to tax Congressional Country Club's property at its fair-market assessed value.

Screw their "screams of outrage." Take the land and leave middle class and working class families alone.