Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering


Shall I go on?

First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.

Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.

Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.

Fifth is just dumb.

Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.

Seventh also dumb.

My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."

Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.

You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.

Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.

To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.

Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.

Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.

The bad seeds are paying very close attention to the outcome of impeachment. If Trump is not removed from office, it will be game on for every snake and megalomaniac in this country. Trump will just be the beginning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering


Shall I go on?

First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.

Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.

Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.

Fifth is just dumb.

Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.

Seventh also dumb.

My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."

Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.

You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.

Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.

To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.

Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.

Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.

The bad seeds are paying very close attention to the outcome of impeachment. If Trump is not removed from office, it will be game on for every snake and megalomaniac in this country. Trump will just be the beginning.

This impeachment is ALL about 2020. unless a lot more comes out, he's not getting removed by the Senate. This is all about making him look bad for 2020. And that's fine because the voters will have a chance to decide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other thing Trump did was open himself up for extortion. Had this not come to light via the whistleblower, any number of bad actors who knew what Trump was up to could have held this information over his head and threatened to spill the beans is he didn’t do what the asked. In other words, kompromat.

At risk of stating the obvious: Trump thinks he’s smarter than the Russians, Ukrainians, N Koreans, etc. He needs the Russians to help fund his properties and he’s too scared of going broke to decline their financial input. But he thinks he can take their money and outsmart them. Fool.

The Senate Republicans are willing to ‘dance with the devil’ for four years or more so that they can remake an entire branch of government – the judiciary. And if they save Trump’s a*s from removal, they would likely have a bit more leverage over him.

I would look for everyone to start throwing Rudy Giuliani under the bus so that Trump has a chance of survival.

[Anonymous]

What more needs to come out?

Illegally paid a porn star off to keep news of an affair quiet.
Illegally received help from the Russian government to win the election.
Illegally receiving god knows how much money from a variety of sycophants and foreign countries.
Illegally withholding Congressionally authorized funds to bribe a vulnerable country for personal gain.

I am sure there is more, but really, what more needs to be said to indicate this President isn't worthy of the office he holds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What more needs to come out?

Illegally paid a porn star off to keep news of an affair quiet.
Illegally received help from the Russian government to win the election.
Illegally receiving god knows how much money from a variety of sycophants and foreign countries.
Illegally withholding Congressionally authorized funds to bribe a vulnerable country for personal gain.

I am sure there is more, but really, what more needs to be said to indicate this President isn't worthy of the office he holds?

A high crime that doesn't have partisan origins?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering


Shall I go on?

First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.

Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.

Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.

Fifth is just dumb.

Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.

Seventh also dumb.

My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."

Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.

You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.

Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.

To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.

Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.

Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.

The bad seeds are paying very close attention to the outcome of impeachment. If Trump is not removed from office, it will be game on for every snake and megalomaniac in this country. Trump will just be the beginning.

This impeachment is ALL about 2020. unless a lot more comes out, he's not getting removed by the Senate. This is all about making him look bad for 2020. And that's fine because the voters will have a chance to decide.

No, you are misreading tea leaves. Impeachment was avoided by the Democrats for as long as possible because it is dangerous to impeach a president so close to an election. You would think after the Mueller Report came out they would have impeached, when so many of his co-conspirators (he is Individual 1, after all) were falling like dominoes. They did not, and Trump took that as carte blanche to continue on his way, and with his plans of committing crimes. He had Barr whispering in his ear that he is above the law as president, which is exactly what he wanted to hear.

Democrats were pushed in to a corner because his crimes are throwing the whole country under the bus now. The question is only if Republicans are willing to trash the country and their party for the next few decades by letting him remain in office. The elections just now of Republican states that now have a D governor or managed to keep a D governor show just how much he has trashed the party. Will they put either their party or the country first and check him?

I don't know. But what I do know is that Pelosi and D leadership did NOT want to impeach him. It reached a point where they had no choice. If Rs don't see that they are at that point too now, then they are so far up his and Putin's asses that they are delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering


Shall I go on?

First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.

Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.

Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.

Fifth is just dumb.

Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.

Seventh also dumb.

My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."

Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.

You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.

Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.

To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.

Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.

Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.

The bad seeds are paying very close attention to the outcome of impeachment. If Trump is not removed from office, it will be game on for every snake and megalomaniac in this country. Trump will just be the beginning.

This impeachment is ALL about 2020. unless a lot more comes out, he's not getting removed by the Senate. This is all about making him look bad for 2020. And that's fine because the voters will have a chance to decide.

No, you are misreading tea leaves. Impeachment was avoided by the Democrats for as long as possible because it is dangerous to impeach a president so close to an election. You would think after the Mueller Report came out they would have impeached, when so many of his co-conspirators (he is Individual 1, after all) were falling like dominoes. They did not, and Trump took that as carte blanche to continue on his way, and with his plans of committing crimes. He had Barr whispering in his ear that he is above the law as president, which is exactly what he wanted to hear.

Democrats were pushed in to a corner because his crimes are throwing the whole country under the bus now. The question is only if Republicans are willing to trash the country and their party for the next few decades by letting him remain in office. The elections just now of Republican states that now have a D governor or managed to keep a D governor show just how much he has trashed the party. Will they put either their party or the country first and check him?

I don't know. But what I do know is that Pelosi and D leadership did NOT want to impeach him. It reached a point where they had no choice. If Rs don't see that they are at that point too now, then they are so far up his and Putin's asses that they are delusional.

The obsession with Russia is really something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What more needs to come out?

Illegally paid a porn star off to keep news of an affair quiet.
Illegally received help from the Russian government to win the election.
Illegally receiving god knows how much money from a variety of sycophants and foreign countries.
Illegally withholding Congressionally authorized funds to bribe a vulnerable country for personal gain.

I am sure there is more, but really, what more needs to be said to indicate this President isn't worthy of the office he holds?

A high crime that doesn't have partisan origins?

What?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.

That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.

Here is a good article about what is meant by a high crime etc
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/600343/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.

That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.

Here is a good article about what is meant by a high crime etc
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/600343/

Dumb. It's an incredibly high threshold despite efforts to change the definitions. It's literally never happened in 240 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.

That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.

Here is a good article about what is meant by a high crime etc
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/600343/

Dumb. It's an incredibly high threshold despite efforts to change the definitions. It's literally never happened in 240 years.

I guess you didn't actually read it. Many people have been impeached over the years for high crimes and misdemeanors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.

That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.

Here is a good article about what is meant by a high crime etc
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/600343/

Dumb. It's an incredibly high threshold despite efforts to change the definitions. It's literally never happened in 240 years.

I guess you didn't actually read it. Many people have been impeached over the years for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Yes, federal judges, etc. Who cares? We are taking about the President of the United States. That's a whole new ballgame and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering


Shall I go on?

First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.

Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.

Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.

Fifth is just dumb.

Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.

Seventh also dumb.

My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."

Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.

You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.

Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.

To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.

Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.

Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.

The bad seeds are paying very close attention to the outcome of impeachment. If Trump is not removed from office, it will be game on for every snake and megalomaniac in this country. Trump will just be the beginning.

This impeachment is ALL about 2020. unless a lot more comes out, he's not getting removed by the Senate. This is all about making him look bad for 2020. And that's fine because the voters will have a chance to decide.

No, you are misreading tea leaves. Impeachment was avoided by the Democrats for as long as possible because it is dangerous to impeach a president so close to an election. You would think after the Mueller Report came out they would have impeached, when so many of his co-conspirators (he is Individual 1, after all) were falling like dominoes. They did not, and Trump took that as carte blanche to continue on his way, and with his plans of committing crimes. He had Barr whispering in his ear that he is above the law as president, which is exactly what he wanted to hear.

Democrats were pushed in to a corner because his crimes are throwing the whole country under the bus now. The question is only if Republicans are willing to trash the country and their party for the next few decades by letting him remain in office. The elections just now of Republican states that now have a D governor or managed to keep a D governor show just how much he has trashed the party. Will they put either their party or the country first and check him?

I don't know. But what I do know is that Pelosi and D leadership did NOT want to impeach him. It reached a point where they had no choice. If Rs don't see that they are at that point too now, then they are so far up his and Putin's asses that they are delusional.

Good take, but you are too far in the trees to see the forest. Pelosi didn't want this because she is smart. She simply couldn't hold back her lunatic left fringe any longer. Even with the media in the bag the polls aren't moving to drastically support this impeachment.

I also think Democrats are worried about the report coming out on the origins of the Russian nonsense. It could be politically very damaging if shortcuts were taken in the spying on US citizens. That's a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Even with the media in the bag the polls aren't moving to drastically support this impeachment.

Not sure how one “drastically supports” something, but this is movement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly it's inappropriate. I'm not sure if criminal, more sloppy incompetence.

But it's not impeachable, and there is zero chance for the Senate to convict.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being an impeachable high crime and 1 being jaywalking, this is maybe a 6 or 7.

The term "high crime" refers to the position of the person doing the crime, not to the type of crime. That said, "bribery" is specified in the Constitution as an impeachable offense. Both by the modern US legal definition and by the definition of the term "bribery" as the authors of the Constitution understood it, the current president and vice president appear to have committed the offense.

Seriously, of perjury about a blowjob is impeachable, how is this not impeachable? What would constitute an impeachable offense in your mind?

Good question. Treason. True bribery where the president is personally enriched (Illinois governor selling Senate seats). Nixon level obstruction. Not sleazy incompetence like this.

1) Bribery can be for political gain, and 2) trump has been using the presidency as a cash cow to enrich himself and his kids anyway.

Please.

All presidents do this. Really, all politicians do this. Take a hard look at some DC politicians. They are all guilty. Democrats and Republicans.

Did someone make you a flowchart?

When you get backed in to a corner, progress to "everyone does it" excuse?

It is like we are seeing the results of a flowchart.

A: It was bad, but not that bad.

B: No, it was actually really, really bad.

A: It was bad, but only because of incompetence, not INTENTIONALLY a crime. Some things are worse.

B: It was still a crime.

A: Everyone else has done it!

Yep.