2019 AAP Results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the very high scores that were rejected, I am frankly shocked that my kid, with no-champagne-to-break-open scores (NNAT 111, COGAT 124) got in. He had stellar GBRS though. So I have to believe that GBRS was given way more weight this year. Otherwise no way he would get in over someone with scores over 135.

Why did you post this when you also posted the scores? Odd descriptive language.

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Obviously, she was just pointing out that the scores were very low and nothing to be excited about. Lighten up, Jen.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends dd got in with no in pool scores-Highest score was a 122. 1 C and 3 Fs. Not in the highest reading group.

Seriously doubt this

If the AAP center is Willow Springs, we have have the same friend. If not, there's at least 2!

[Anonymous]

All these discrepancies really just go to show that it's the GBRS that likely made the difference. And given that research shows that teachers very often overlook gifted kids that don't fit a certain stereotype of what they perceive as gifted, it is sounding more and more like this whole process is just one big crapshoot based on what teacher can write the best narrative.

I work in special education. I spent years creating VGLA binders which were collections of student work that we could submit in lieu of SOL tests. I had students who were barely passing my class with a D, pass advance their Math 8 SOL by giving them the VGLA option instead of the standardized test. How? Because I knew how to put together a binder of material that made them look like geniuses.

I suspect this is exactly what happens with these AAP packets. I hope that some of these people whose children had super high scores but got rejected get in on appeal. The subjectiveness in this process is insane.

[Anonymous]

It makes a lot of sense to me that a committee made up of teachers places the most weight on how good or lame the teacher recommendation is.

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I'd love to see whether there's a correlation between kids who struggle in AAP and whether that kid got in via test scores vs. in via GBRS.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the very high scores that were rejected, I am frankly shocked that my kid, with no-champagne-to-break-open scores (NNAT 111, COGAT 124) got in. He had stellar GBRS though. So I have to believe that GBRS was given way more weight this year. Otherwise no way he would get in over someone with scores over 135.

Why did you post this when you also posted the scores? Odd descriptive language.

I'm guessing that was the case. My kid had slightly higher scores than yours but was not in the pool, with 2 Cs and 2 Fs on the GBRS. I thought the teacher commentary was good, but not nearly as stellar as my older DC (that had slightly higher scores and got into AAP). DC did not get in.

FWIW, I don't plan on appealing at this point. We have a LLIV, so will push to get LIII designation and pulled into the math and LA portions. Then have DC retake the CoGAT next year and go from there.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

Or another common variant, the annoying bored disruptive bright kid...

I posted above - my kid got in with in-pool CogAT but not in the 140s or anything like that. He is this variety so I'm glad he still got apparently decent GRBS.

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It sounds like once in pool the scores were given little weight.

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People are looking for patterns where none exist.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends dd got in with no in pool scores-Highest score was a 122. 1 C and 3 Fs. Not in the highest reading group.

Seriously doubt this

If the AAP center is Willow Springs, we have have the same friend. If not, there's at least 2!

FCPS doesn’t even use letter grades A-F! This poster is a troll, people.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends dd got in with no in pool scores-Highest score was a 122. 1 C and 3 Fs. Not in the highest reading group.

Seriously doubt this

If the AAP center is Willow Springs, we have have the same friend. If not, there's at least 2!

FCPS doesn’t even use letter grades A-F! This poster is a troll, people.

They meant on GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier and my kid is in but there are so many of these that are definite headscratchers. I hope they didn't somehow reverse the letters. What a cluster that would be.

FWIW I think AAP is the right place for my kid but I wasn't sure that would come across on paper. He is extremely bright but his test scores were so-so (117 NNAT, 132 CogAT - so he was in the pool). His handwriting is atrocious and I wasn't sure how the samples would be. His grades are good and he picks stuff up extremely quickly so I guess his GBRS was decent - I haven't seen it. All this to say, I wasn't shocked that he got in but I wouldn't have been shocked if he didn't either.

^^I'm in the same boat. I'm surprised the kids with really high scores did not get in and also somewhat surprised my borderline-test-score child got in but knew it could go either way. I hope for everyone's sake there was not some type of mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends dd got in with no in pool scores-Highest score was a 122. 1 C and 3 Fs. Not in the highest reading group.

Seriously doubt this

If the AAP center is Willow Springs, we have have the same friend. If not, there's at least 2!

FCPS doesn’t even use letter grades A-F! This poster is a troll, people.

NP: I doubt PP is a troll, but you're clearly not very smart. 1 Consistently and 3 Frequently on the GBRS, which should have been obvious from context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see whether there's a correlation between kids who struggle in AAP and whether that kid got in via test scores vs. in via GBRS.

My kid got in via test scores rather than GBRS and he’s doing well at the Center.