2019 AAP Results

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

My DS is the quite kid who doesn't raise his hand. His teacher flat out told us that she knows he knows the answer and calls on him because she knows he will not volunteer and answer. If things go to pattern (we saw the same thing in day care, pre school, and kindergarten) we are hitting the time period where that is going to change. But his teacher knows that he is the quiet kid who is not going to raise his hand but knows the answer. So I know he is not being overlooked and we are trying to figure out of it simply his personality or a confidence thing. He is 6, so we are not exactly stressing. He is in pool based on his NNAT score. I have no reason to believe that he will not do well on the CogAT, we didn't prep for the NNAT. His GBRSs will be interesting.

As for the results this year, I would love to see the geographic break down on rejection and acceptance. Are some of the higher scores not accepted in areas where there are centers and local programs, indicating that there are more kids then potential spaces, and some of the more surprising lower scores in areas with a higher FARMs rate? I get that they say that there is no limit but the reality is we know how many seats there are at the centers and in the local programs.

And I do suspect that the test scores are discounted because they expect people to be prepping. And while a prepped 140 might be an unprepped 130, still very good, if the kid is not standing out in the classroom then we would expect that kid to be more borderline. I almost think that the super high scores are viewed with greater suspicion then the kids scoring in the 120s and 130s. IT could be that the committee is looking at the GBRSs more seriously for the higher scores because they are worried about prepping.

But that is all rampant speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see whether there's a correlation between kids who struggle in AAP and whether that kid got in via test scores vs. in via GBRS.

Per DD, no one is struggling, so....

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I wonder whether you are FCPS kid or referral from a private school has impact to. Based on threads last year, it seems like high scores from non-FCPS were more likely to be found not eligible.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether you are FCPS kid or referral from a private school has impact to. Based on threads last year, it seems like high scores from non-FCPS were more likely to be found not eligible.

We are rejected from a well regarded center school. Wonder if it hurt my child that he is surrounded by many smart students. He may stand out less?

I actually asked this question at aap session and AART said committee sees different files but I wonder if gbrs would be lower due to child not being observed as gifted smart even with high test scores. As opposed to same child is a more normal environment would stand out as the smart gifted kid.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

My DS is the quite kid who doesn't raise his hand. His teacher flat out told us that she knows he knows the answer and calls on him because she knows he will not volunteer and answer. If things go to pattern (we saw the same thing in day care, pre school, and kindergarten) we are hitting the time period where that is going to change. But his teacher knows that he is the quiet kid who is not going to raise his hand but knows the answer. So I know he is not being overlooked and we are trying to figure out of it simply his personality or a confidence thing. He is 6, so we are not exactly stressing. He is in pool based on his NNAT score. I have no reason to believe that he will not do well on the CogAT, we didn't prep for the NNAT. His GBRSs will be interesting.

As for the results this year, I would love to see the geographic break down on rejection and acceptance. Are some of the higher scores not accepted in areas where there are centers and local programs, indicating that there are more kids then potential spaces, and some of the more surprising lower scores in areas with a higher FARMs rate? I get that they say that there is no limit but the reality is we know how many seats there are at the centers and in the local programs.

And I do suspect that the test scores are discounted because they expect people to be prepping. And while a prepped 140 might be an unprepped 130, still very good, if the kid is not standing out in the classroom then we would expect that kid to be more borderline. I almost think that the super high scores are viewed with greater suspicion then the kids scoring in the 120s and 130s. IT could be that the committee is looking at the GBRSs more seriously for the higher scores because they are worried about prepping.

But that is all rampant speculation.

Nobody here cares about your quiet kid in first grade. Chill out. You will be able wax extensively on the merits of your offspring next year. Yeesh.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether you are FCPS kid or referral from a private school has impact to. Based on threads last year, it seems like high scores from non-FCPS were more likely to be found not eligible.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 139
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 130/133/139 Composite 140
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) dont' know
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Zip Code: 22180
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - not in

Any suggestion on what to do with our situation? DS already scored 98 & 99 percentile on cogat and nnat.

How did you NOT get in the pool with those COGAT scores? I thought at a minimum if one of the sub-components was 132 or above you were automatically in the pool. I would check your child's packet and maybe schedule a meeting with the AART teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether you are FCPS kid or referral from a private school has impact to. Based on threads last year, it seems like high scores from non-FCPS were more likely to be found not eligible.

We are rejected from a well regarded center school. Wonder if it hurt my child that he is surrounded by many smart students. He may stand out less?

I actually asked this question at aap session and AART said committee sees different files but I wonder if gbrs would be lower due to child not being observed as gifted smart even with high test scores. As opposed to same child is a more normal environment would stand out as the smart gifted kid.

Yes I agree that this could be possible and we are also at a very competitive center school. DS and his best friend are very bright and both were not accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 139
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 130/133/139 Composite 140
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) dont' know
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Zip Code: 22180
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - not in

Any suggestion on what to do with our situation? DS already scored 98 & 99 percentile on cogat and nnat.

How did you NOT get in the pool with those COGAT scores? I thought at a minimum if one of the sub-components was 132 or above you were automatically in the pool. I would check your child's packet and maybe schedule a meeting with the AART teacher.

Could be possible if the scores are from private schools. I wish the template had also asked about FCPS vs Private.

Is there a trend that the 'Not In' with high scores are non-FCPS scores?

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Last year, there were children from some specific private schools that did not get in with high scores. Mine did, without scores that high.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT - 87 percentile. Don't have actual scores handy
Cogat - 127/147/133 composite 144
Zip code - 22033
In pool - yes
Parent referral - No, not work samples submitted
Decision - NOT IN

Should I appeal? DS is 99 percentile for luck and grade in Cogat.

I'm starting to get the sense from this example and a few others that higher consideration was given to children whose parent submitted extra samples and paperwork, regardless of whether or not they were in the pool. Our AART teacher told us that technically we didn't have to submit anything extra if we were in the pool, but highly encouraged it. I'm glad he did.

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Does anyone know what percent of those that file an appeal get admitted? I presume they have a maximum number that they will accept into AAP...?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what percent of those that file an appeal get admitted? I presume they have a maximum number that they will accept into AAP...?

No, they don’t have maximum number of acceptance according to our AART told us during the meetings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

My DS is the quite kid who doesn't raise his hand. His teacher flat out told us that she knows he knows the answer and calls on him because she knows he will not volunteer and answer. If things go to pattern (we saw the same thing in day care, pre school, and kindergarten) we are hitting the time period where that is going to change. But his teacher knows that he is the quiet kid who is not going to raise his hand but knows the answer. So I know he is not being overlooked and we are trying to figure out of it simply his personality or a confidence thing. He is 6, so we are not exactly stressing. He is in pool based on his NNAT score. I have no reason to believe that he will not do well on the CogAT, we didn't prep for the NNAT. His GBRSs will be interesting.

As for the results this year, I would love to see the geographic break down on rejection and acceptance. Are some of the higher scores not accepted in areas where there are centers and local programs, indicating that there are more kids then potential spaces, and some of the more surprising lower scores in areas with a higher FARMs rate? I get that they say that there is no limit but the reality is we know how many seats there are at the centers and in the local programs.

And I do suspect that the test scores are discounted because they expect people to be prepping. And while a prepped 140 might be an unprepped 130, still very good, if the kid is not standing out in the classroom then we would expect that kid to be more borderline. I almost think that the super high scores are viewed with greater suspicion then the kids scoring in the 120s and 130s. IT could be that the committee is looking at the GBRSs more seriously for the higher scores because they are worried about prepping.

But that is all rampant speculation.

We are in a high FARMs school with no local level 4 or any advanced math. My child was in pool via test scores and did not get in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT - 87 percentile. Don't have actual scores handy
Cogat - 127/147/133 composite 144
Zip code - 22033
In pool - yes
Parent referral - No, not work samples submitted
Decision - NOT IN

Should I appeal? DS is 99 percentile for luck and grade in Cogat.

I'm starting to get the sense from this example and a few others that higher consideration was given to children whose parent submitted extra samples and paperwork, regardless of whether or not they were in the pool. Our AART teacher told us that technically we didn't have to submit anything extra if we were in the pool, but highly encouraged it. I'm glad he did.

I feel the same