MCPS Looking Into 'All-Gender' Bathrooms in Schools

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Anonymous wrote:did you actually ever go to school? You have no idea how mean kids can be

That's one of the reasons for this idea. Actual mean things actual mean kids are actually doing (vs. hypothetical mean things hypothetical (or actual) mean kids might hypothetically do).

+1 I know exactly how mean kids can be (and are!) and therefore support the creation of a handful of gender neutral bathrooms for transgender and gender nonconforming kids.

that won’t be good enough when liberals start pushing hard on gender fluidity. They want confirmation and you can’t do that in a unisex bathroom. If someone claims their gender changes they want to “prove” it though unisex coed bathrooms would help them that much so they’ll want separate bathrooms so they can use both

Wow, you're spending a lot of time imputing hidden motives to people who say that their goal is simply to use the darn bathroom in peace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Single use, no gender rooms would be a blessing from my perspective as a MS teacher in MCPS. I’ve taught directly across from both a boys’ room and a girls’ room over the years. Both sexes trash the group rooms and bullying occurs in both. I’d love a switch to 3-4 single occupancy, no gender rooms with a hand washing station outside. We traveled in Europe recently and many public spaces were set up this way.

This doesn't happen in any single European SCHOOL.

Nope, not true.

Spent my senior year in a school in a Western European nation and was utterly shocked when I saw the communal bathroom on my first day. It was one main bathroom off of the central gathering hall. It had a huge opening, like 12 feet wide, that opened onto the hall. Everyone went in, found a stall and used the communal sinks afterwards and then went back to gossip with everyone else in the hall before the bell rang. I could not believe it. It took me weeks to use it the first time and weeks afterwards to not feel embarrassed about it. But, by a couple of months in, it was old hat. No big deal. And, of course, it was never a big deal to anyone going to school there. I was the weird one for thinking it was. FWIW, it was a largish (for Europe), nonsectarian school that covered that country's last six years of education before university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did you actually ever go to school? You have no idea how mean kids can be

That's one of the reasons for this idea. Actual mean things actual mean kids are actually doing (vs. hypothetical mean things hypothetical (or actual) mean kids might hypothetically do).

+1 I know exactly how mean kids can be (and are!) and therefore support the creation of a handful of gender neutral bathrooms for transgender and gender nonconforming kids.

that won’t be good enough when liberals start pushing hard on gender fluidity. They want confirmation and you can’t do that in a unisex bathroom. If someone claims their gender changes they want to “prove” it though unisex coed bathrooms would help them that much so they’ll want separate bathrooms so they can use both

Wow, you're spending a lot of time imputing hidden motives to people who say that their goal is simply to use the darn bathroom in peace.

yeah because peollr only go to the bathroom. When I went to high school nobody gossiped inthe bathroom nobody did drugs in bathroom nobody smoke in bathroom nobody got billed or beat up in bathroom, nobody got wedgies in bathroom nobody got swirlies in bathrooms. I wish I went to the utopian high school you went to. The only way things could have been worse was having girls in the bathrooom seeing me getting beat up every day

[Anonymous]

Conservatives want armed teachers in the bathrooms now?

[Anonymous]

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Are you really that stupid? Maybe you are a man so I'll break it down for you
I come from a long line of heavy bleeders. We go through multiple pads tampons in just one day. Sometimes we can just sit on a toilet while clots and blood gushes out. We are genetically built this way. Many times we bleed through our clothes and need a safe private sink to pull down our pants and try to clean up the blood so it is not so obvious when we walk out of the bathroom.

Where are my daighters rights as a new woman to be able to learn to care for herself? Where are my daughter's rights to do the same at her school in a safe environment? How is she going to do this surrounded by boys? She won't. She will be anxious scared and mortified. But to all of you, the girls rights don't matter. We have to spend millions and pander to a handful of trans kids who are welcome to use our bathroom any time they need it.

Do you do this at sinks in public bathrooms? As a lifelong girl/woman and user of public bathrooms, I have never, not once, never ever, seen anybody do that. I'm not saying that nobody does it. But I have never seen it.

What do you think the millions of women who have blood leaks onto their clothes do? Wash them out with the toilet water in the stall? Come on.
You have to be smarter than that. No, they use the soap and water in the sink as discreetly as possible because it is embarrassing, even among another women who are light bleeders. Then we stuff our pants with toilet paper and paper towels to facilitate the pants drying and pray to God no notices! Wake up women!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:did you actually ever go to school? You have no idea how mean kids can be

That's one of the reasons for this idea. Actual mean things actual mean kids are actually doing (vs. hypothetical mean things hypothetical (or actual) mean kids might hypothetically do).

+1 I know exactly how mean kids can be (and are!) and therefore support the creation of a handful of gender neutral bathrooms for transgender and gender nonconforming kids.

that won’t be good enough when liberals start pushing hard on gender fluidity. They want confirmation and you can’t do that in a unisex bathroom. If someone claims their gender changes they want to “prove” it though unisex coed bathrooms would help them that much so they’ll want separate bathrooms so they can use both

Wow, you're spending a lot of time imputing hidden motives to people who say that their goal is simply to use the darn bathroom in peace.

yeah because peollr only go to the bathroom. When I went to high school nobody gossiped inthe bathroom nobody did drugs in bathroom nobody smoke in bathroom nobody got billed or beat up in bathroom, nobody got wedgies in bathroom nobody got swirlies in bathrooms. I wish I went to the utopian high school you went to. The only way things could have been worse was having girls in the bathrooom seeing me getting beat up every day

With all that, you should be IN FAVOR of single-user bathrooms, not against.

[Anonymous]

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Are you really that stupid? Maybe you are a man so I'll break it down for you
I come from a long line of heavy bleeders. We go through multiple pads tampons in just one day. Sometimes we can just sit on a toilet while clots and blood gushes out. We are genetically built this way. Many times we bleed through our clothes and need a safe private sink to pull down our pants and try to clean up the blood so it is not so obvious when we walk out of the bathroom.

Where are my daighters rights as a new woman to be able to learn to care for herself? Where are my daughter's rights to do the same at her school in a safe environment? How is she going to do this surrounded by boys? She won't. She will be anxious scared and mortified. But to all of you, the girls rights don't matter. We have to spend millions and pander to a handful of trans kids who are welcome to use our bathroom any time they need it.

Your example is a very specific health problem that affects a very small amount of girls. I'm 40 years old and what you're describing has never happened to me. If your daughter has very heavy periods that require special maintenance, she can go use the private bathroom in the nurse's office.

Essentially, you're advocating that your daughter's very specific need should be pandered to while other kids with a specific need shouldn't be accommodated.

[Anonymous]

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+1 million. I cannot believe people are even thinking about this idea. How many times did I (and my daughter, I'm sure) ask a fellow woman in the common restroom area for a pad or tampon? Ask the woman in the stall next store for extra toilet paper? Stand in front of the sink trying to get blood out of pants so we could return to class? This happens all. the. time. Especially in middle and high school. Single stalls, even if the door is floor to ceiling, is not enough. I cannot believe there is even one woman who supports this idea.

She can still go to one of the many single sex bathrooms that will still exist in the school.

Also, rinsing blood out in the sink is gross. I'd recommend that be done in the nurse's office where she can ask for a Lysol wipe to clean it up afterwards.

So the girl should go to the nurse office to use the bathroom but they trans kid can't. Got it! Girls and women, you are second class citizens. Your rights matter less than a small minority. The liberal left needs you to fall in line and forgo your rights to bathroom safety and privacy for the greater good of a handful of people.

How is it that I can respect the Trans right to use our bathroom if they need to for privacy and safety but their community can't respect the girl's right to do the same and let us have bathrooms designated by sex not gender? Why? I support their decisions, why can't they support my cisgender daughter and other cisgender girls in same?

[Anonymous]

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+1 million. I cannot believe people are even thinking about this idea. How many times did I (and my daughter, I'm sure) ask a fellow woman in the common restroom area for a pad or tampon? Ask the woman in the stall next store for extra toilet paper? Stand in front of the sink trying to get blood out of pants so we could return to class? This happens all. the. time. Especially in middle and high school. Single stalls, even if the door is floor to ceiling, is not enough. I cannot believe there is even one woman who supports this idea.

She can still go to one of the many single sex bathrooms that will still exist in the school.

Also, rinsing blood out in the sink is gross. I'd recommend that be done in the nurse's office where she can ask for a Lysol wipe to clean it up afterwards.

So the girl should go to the nurse office to use the bathroom but they trans kid can't. Got it! Girls and women, you are second class citizens. Your rights matter less than a small minority. The liberal left needs you to fall in line and forgo your rights to bathroom safety and privacy for the greater good of a handful of people.

How is it that I can respect the Trans right to use our bathroom if they need to for privacy and safety but their community can't respect the girl's right to do the same and let us have bathrooms designated by sex not gender? Why? I support their decisions, why can't they support my cisgender daughter and other cisgender girls in same?

So the trans girl has to go to the nurse's office (or the boys' bathroom) but the cis girl can't go to the nurse's office...

Also, "it doesn't affect a lot of people" is an inadequate argument. Most people don't use wheelchairs. Facilities should still be accessible to people who do use wheelchairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you really that stupid? Maybe you are a man so I'll break it down for you
I come from a long line of heavy bleeders. We go through multiple pads tampons in just one day. Sometimes we can just sit on a toilet while clots and blood gushes out. We are genetically built this way. Many times we bleed through our clothes and need a safe private sink to pull down our pants and try to clean up the blood so it is not so obvious when we walk out of the bathroom.

Where are my daighters rights as a new woman to be able to learn to care for herself? Where are my daughter's rights to do the same at her school in a safe environment? How is she going to do this surrounded by boys? She won't. She will be anxious scared and mortified. But to all of you, the girls rights don't matter. We have to spend millions and pander to a handful of trans kids who are welcome to use our bathroom any time they need it.

Your example is a very specific health problem that affects a very small amount of girls. I'm 40 years old and what you're describing has never happened to me. If your daughter has very heavy periods that require special maintenance, she can go use the private bathroom in the nurse's office.

Essentially, you're advocating that your daughter's very specific need should be pandered to while other kids with a specific need shouldn't be accommodated.

What a hypocrite you are! Isn't the trans condtion and it's "very specific need" and it's need for accommodation (and pandering) what is being discussed here? Good enough for them but not for us?

I have yearly gynecological visit and have been assured for decades by many doctors that there is nothing wrong with me, that I am on the heavy normal.end of bleeders. I have never had a girlfriend and I am a girl with a tons of friends who has not bled through. It h happens all the time. Maybe you are a super light bleeder but you are in the minority of women if you have never had a leak. But whatever makes you feel better about turning against young inexperienced menstruating girls, Betty. Hope your daughter bleds through and you can tell her what a "problem" she is. Sounds like you need some experience so you can have some empathy for the thousands of young girls who will be ostracized.

[Anonymous]

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+1 million. I cannot believe people are even thinking about this idea. How many times did I (and my daughter, I'm sure) ask a fellow woman in the common restroom area for a pad or tampon? Ask the woman in the stall next store for extra toilet paper? Stand in front of the sink trying to get blood out of pants so we could return to class? This happens all. the. time. Especially in middle and high school. Single stalls, even if the door is floor to ceiling, is not enough. I cannot believe there is even one woman who supports this idea.

She can still go to one of the many single sex bathrooms that will still exist in the school.

Also, rinsing blood out in the sink is gross. I'd recommend that be done in the nurse's office where she can ask for a Lysol wipe to clean it up afterwards.

So the girl should go to the nurse office to use the bathroom but they trans kid can't. Got it! Girls and women, you are second class citizens. Your rights matter less than a small minority. The liberal left needs you to fall in line and forgo your rights to bathroom safety and privacy for the greater good of a handful of people.

How is it that I can respect the Trans right to use our bathroom if they need to for privacy and safety but their community can't respect the girl's right to do the same and let us have bathrooms designated by sex not gender? Why? I support their decisions, why can't they support my cisgender daughter and other cisgender girls in same?

So the trans girl has to go to the nurse's office (or the boys' bathroom) but the cis girl can't go to the nurse's office...

Also, "it doesn't affect a lot of people" is an inadequate argument. Most people don't use wheelchairs. Facilities should still be accessible to people who do use wheelchairs.

So thousands of girls should give up there rights for a few? Let's be clear here. Just say it! Go ahead! Women and girls are second class citizens and should shut the hell up.about our needs! Just say it!!!!! Say what you really mean! Because if women don't start standing up for themselves and fast, we are on a ippery slope! Your hatred and disgust of women is palpable. And it is everywhere on this thread.

[Anonymous]

I'm a cisgendered woman, mother to cisgendered girls, and support unisex and mixed sex bathrooms.

I do not feel my rights, nor those of my daughters, are being abridged.

I hope that my daughters' classmates who are trans or gender nonconforming have a positive school experience, and if transitioning one or two bathrooms in the whole school to unisex helps that happen, then I'm all for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a cisgendered woman, mother to cisgendered girls, and support unisex and mixed sex bathrooms.

I do not feel my rights, nor those of my daughters, are being abridged.

I hope that my daughters' classmates who are trans or gender nonconforming have a positive school experience, and if transitioning one or two bathrooms in the whole school to unisex helps that happen, then I'm all for it.

Good for you. Pat yourself of the back for being so open minded that you put the needs of others before your own kids. If we are talking about one or two bathrooms in the whole school, you have no argument from me. I am not opposed to giving options to trans kids. But girls (and boys!) deserve to have their own bathrooms on every floor in the school. Convert one or two
Fine! The elimination of sex based bathrooms is what is being discussed here. But don't take away sex based bathrooms for the kids who need them in order to.function.

[Anonymous]

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BS. How us this fair to young menstruating girls already embarrassed of their changing bodies? How is exposing them to boys the right thing to do? There are thousands more girls than trans kids but you don't care about trampling on the girl's rights! Women, wake up!!!!

How would this expose girls to boys? Because they'd be using the same sink?

Are you really that stupid? Maybe you are a man so I'll break it down for you
I come from a long line of heavy bleeders. We go through multiple pads tampons in just one day. Sometimes we can just sit on a toilet while clots and blood gushes out. We are genetically built this way. Many times we bleed through our clothes and need a safe private sink to pull down our pants and try to clean up the blood so it is not so obvious when we walk out of the bathroom.

Where are my daighters rights as a new woman to be able to learn to care for herself? Where are my daughter's rights to do the same at her school in a safe environment? How is she going to do this surrounded by boys? She won't. She will be anxious scared and mortified. But to all of you, the girls rights don't matter. We have to spend millions and pander to a handful of trans kids who are welcome to use our bathroom any time they need it.

+1 million. I cannot believe people are even thinking about this idea. How many times did I (and my daughter, I'm sure) ask a fellow woman in the common restroom area for a pad or tampon? Ask the woman in the stall next store for extra toilet paper? Stand in front of the sink trying to get blood out of pants so we could return to class? This happens all. the. time. Especially in middle and high school. Single stalls, even if the door is floor to ceiling, is not enough. I cannot believe there is even one woman who supports this idea.

+1

If the other PP has never experienced a period leak, she is incredibly fortunate. I definitely had a few. And would have been mortified to have that happen in a co-ed bathroom.

The other PP seems to have zero empathy for middle school girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1 million. I cannot believe people are even thinking about this idea. How many times did I (and my daughter, I'm sure) ask a fellow woman in the common restroom area for a pad or tampon? Ask the woman in the stall next store for extra toilet paper? Stand in front of the sink trying to get blood out of pants so we could return to class? This happens all. the. time. Especially in middle and high school. Single stalls, even if the door is floor to ceiling, is not enough. I cannot believe there is even one woman who supports this idea.

She can still go to one of the many single sex bathrooms that will still exist in the school.

Also, rinsing blood out in the sink is gross. I'd recommend that be done in the nurse's office where she can ask for a Lysol wipe to clean it up afterwards.

So the girl should go to the nurse office to use the bathroom but they trans kid can't. Got it! Girls and women, you are second class citizens. Your rights matter less than a small minority. The liberal left needs you to fall in line and forgo your rights to bathroom safety and privacy for the greater good of a handful of people.

How is it that I can respect the Trans right to use our bathroom if they need to for privacy and safety but their community can't respect the girl's right to do the same and let us have bathrooms designated by sex not gender? Why? I support their decisions, why can't they support my cisgender daughter and other cisgender girls in same?

So the trans girl has to go to the nurse's office (or the boys' bathroom) but the cis girl can't go to the nurse's office...

Also, "it doesn't affect a lot of people" is an inadequate argument. Most people don't use wheelchairs. Facilities should still be accessible to people who do use wheelchairs.

So thousands of girls should give up there rights for a few? Let's be clear here. Just say it! Go ahead! Women and girls are second class citizens and should shut the hell up.about our needs! Just say it!!!!! Say what you really mean! Because if women don't start standing up for themselves and fast, we are on a ippery slope! Your hatred and disgust of women is palpable. And it is everywhere on this thread.

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