Forced to stand for pledge

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I WISH more schools would require this.

You don't see the irony of forcing someone to stand while they say "with liberty and justice for all"?

NOPE. But I do see the irony of a child refusing to stand in respect to a flag that defends the child's right to be a jerk. Stand.

Who could argue with that? You are clearly so much smarter than a majority of Supreme Court justices. I, for one, am glad you're president.

[Anonymous]

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Nobody on this thread has said that kids should never be required to do anything. This thread is about schools requiring kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. The Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional for schools to require kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I.e., requiring kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE violates their FIRST AMENDMENT rights.

Doesn't say anything about standing. Sorry. They are not standing to salute. They are standing in respect for others--just like you are silent when others pray. If you don't want to say the Lord's Prayer at a funeral, you do not have to do so--but, it is expected that you will remain silent for others.

Well the esteemed Supreme Court justices disagreed with you. They clearly argue in the decision that no only is saying the pledge a form of political speech, but gestures can also be political speech (physically saluting the flag, bowing or baring the head, or kneeling). Because political speech cannot be compelled by the state and compulsory physical gestures or actions are a form of political speech, physical actions cannot be compelled by the state.

Which is why you can't force someone to bake a same sex wedding cake. I'm with ya. Leave people alone.

I LOVE YOU!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hold the highest security clearance this country offers. I serve my country every single day. I would NEVER endorse a public school forcing anyone to stand for the pledge of allegiance.

We have constitutional protections, which dictate that no one can be forced into political speech. As long as the kid sits respectfully during the pledge, and doesn’t disrupt other kids’ experiences, he is completely within his rights.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

That's wrong. Why do you let them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

That's wrong. Why do you let them?

+100 Oh, I know, because their parents are posting here that it is against their principles to show respect for others. They think respect themselves but they don't realize they don't. Sigh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

That's wrong. Why do you let them?

+100 Oh, I know, because their parents are posting here that it is against their principles to show respect for others. They think respect themselves but they don't realize they don't. Sigh.

Bullshit. Literally no one on here has said that students should be able to disrupt the pledge by talking. People have said that students should be allowed to sit or stand quietly during the pledge, and not be shamed or punished for not participating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I leave out “under god” when I recite the pledge.

Do you not spend any money then because it says in God we trust?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Nobody on this thread has said that kids should never be required to do anything. This thread is about schools requiring kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. The Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional for schools to require kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I.e., requiring kids TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE violates their FIRST AMENDMENT rights.

Doesn't say anything about standing. Sorry. They are not standing to salute. They are standing in respect for others--just like you are silent when others pray. If you don't want to say the Lord's Prayer at a funeral, you do not have to do so--but, it is expected that you will remain silent for others.

Well the esteemed Supreme Court justices disagreed with you. They clearly argue in the decision that no only is saying the pledge a form of political speech, but gestures can also be political speech (physically saluting the flag, bowing or baring the head, or kneeling). Because political speech cannot be compelled by the state and compulsory physical gestures or actions are a form of political speech, physical actions cannot be compelled by the state.

Which is why you can't force someone to bake a same sex wedding cake. I'm with ya. Leave people alone.

I LOVE YOU!

Love is blind, apparently. Because those two situations are not even remotely the same. And you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

That's wrong. Why do you let them?

+100 Oh, I know, because their parents are posting here that it is against their principles to show respect for others. They think respect themselves but they don't realize they don't. Sigh.

Bullshit. Literally, no one on here has said that students should be able to disrupt the pledge by talking. People have said that students should be allowed to sit or stand quietly during the pledge, and not be shamed or punished for not participating.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I leave out “under god” when I recite the pledge.

Do you not spend any money then because it says in God we trust?

DP.

Eminently feasible: leaving out "under God" when you recite the pledge of allegiance
Currently rather less (though increasingly) feasible: never using any cash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school teacher and I am the only one in the room who stands and is silent. The students just talk through the whole thing.

That's wrong. Why do you let them?

+100 Oh, I know, because their parents are posting here that it is against their principles to show respect for others. They think respect themselves but they don't realize they don't. Sigh.

Bullshit. Literally no one on here has said that students should be able to disrupt the pledge by talking. People have said that students should be allowed to sit or stand quietly during the pledge, and not be shamed or punished for not participating.

+100 I don't think anyone is OK with students being disruptive - which it absolutely is to be talking to your friends when another class activity is going on. I can only assume the PP's middle school class is generally out of control, which isn't good for a whole host of reasons, but which has nothing to do with respecting the flag.

[Anonymous]

Will they accept kneeling for the pledge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will they accept kneeling for the pledge?

Ha.

I was talking with my mom, who is a pretty salt-of-the-earth woman, and she just did not understand the kneeling controversy. She is Catholic, so she has the Mass as her reference point, and she said, "Kneeling is the MOST reverent posture. It's MORE reverent than standing. How can it possibly be disrespectful to kneel?" I was like, I feel you, Mom, I feel you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I leave out “under god” when I recite the pledge.

Do you not spend any money then because it says in God we trust?

DP.

Eminently feasible: leaving out "under God" when you recite the pledge of allegiance
Currently rather less (though increasingly) feasible: never using any cash

+1

I had to carry cash a few weeks ago. It’s was weird. I never carry it.