AAP appeal declined

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A few years back, there was an FCPS report about AAP that suggested that the school system only use GMU for WISC scores for AAP applications. It seemed like a good way to discourage "score shopping" and to give some more consistency to the weight of the scores submitted.

What ever happened to that proposal?

In a similar vein, it seems that FCPS pretty much discards a GBRS from anyone outside of FCPS, from a private school or a different district. Whether high or low, they seem to just ignore it.

As they probably should. What validity is there? FCPS hasn't trained them like it has trained their AARTs to run the screening committee. You have no idea what the qualifications for the private school teachers are since they are not required to be certified by the state of Virginia. I'm not saying that having a teaching license from the state of Virginia guarantees that every single teacher is amazing. But there is a guarantee that all the teachers in FCPS contributing to a GBRS have had the same expectations for licensure, education, trainings, etc.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Dr Dahlgren is not the most ethical person and might just be saying things to make parents feel better.[/quote

I don't like knocking other professionals but it might be the choice of tester. If you scroll back through these forums and look at the scores linked with this doctors name they seem interesting.

Most psychologists see a rough equivalent of the bell curve regarding test scores. In this area you do see more 115-125 FSIQ scores but not the 135-150 I see posted on this board. Certainly not enough to represent the amount of children in the differentiated services in the various public and private schools.

As a tester you have a small amount of lee way when recording and interpreting answers. You certainly can frame things in your clinical interpretation. If FCPS sees a large amount of children coming with inflated scores from one tester over the years...well it will make them pause.

GMU put out two interesting studies (you can use Google scholar to look them up) about children brought in by their parents for WISC testing for the AAP program the average IQ was in the 120s for both studies.

+ 1 (assuming score put out by posters were real)

[Anonymous]

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If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly. People ask for WISC recommendations on this board and people have recommended this tester multiple times. The parent then sees that the tester meets the requirements specified by FCPS and uses the tester. Why should the parent/child be penalized for not knowing some secret (if that's the case) FCPS bias against the tester? It would be pretty easy for them to say all testing must be done through GMU. Until then, they shouldn't penalize people for not knowing who is or isn't viewed in a negative light.

Several years ago FCPS met with the Northern Virginia Association of Clinical Psychologists, specifically to reiterate the need for integrity of testing.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/558604.page#8981898

I am not a lawyer, but I would guess "If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly" would result in a lawsuit. So they opted to go the professional association path to remind all about integrity of testing.

(And no, I do not know the name of the psychologist that showed up when FCPS AAP staff kept a tally of the WISC results and the name of the psychologist.)

As a poster on the old(er) thread noted -- there was at least one tester who frequently did WISC testing. Just because someone is frequently used does not mean their testing lacks integrity.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/558604.page#8983582

Exactly! They would never name someone for that reason. I am shocked by the scores I see on here. I test 100s of kids a year and it is very rare to see kids in the 130s and above.

But if they won't name individuals because of potential legal ramifications, it's still not fair to unsuspecting parents who use people FCPS has issues with. I needed educational testing done for one of my kids (for concerns about developmental delays, not AAP) and a friend recommended one of the psychologists frequently mentioned on this board. I didn't end up using the psychologist because we figured out what the issue was using our pediatrician, but had I needed the WISC, I would probably have considered that psychologist because of my friend's recommendation. I would not have been trying to game the system, but FCPS would potentially view the scores as invalid. They may not want to have a bad list, but they can say only GMU.

Reading public forum with post by anonymous poster and following their advice! How do you know it is not self advertising?

My recommendation came from a friend. It just turned out to be one of the people frequently mentioned on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few years back, there was an FCPS report about AAP that suggested that the school system only use GMU for WISC scores for AAP applications. It seemed like a good way to discourage "score shopping" and to give some more consistency to the weight of the scores submitted.

What ever happened to that proposal?

Do scores from GMU carry more weight than other psychologists? Would a 130+ FSIQ from GMU be fairly solid for admissions?

[Anonymous]

Op here

No one called today too
We will wait till tomorrow and then may visit aap office, not sure what to do next

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly. People ask for WISC recommendations on this board and people have recommended this tester multiple times. The parent then sees that the tester meets the requirements specified by FCPS and uses the tester. Why should the parent/child be penalized for not knowing some secret (if that's the case) FCPS bias against the tester? It would be pretty easy for them to say all testing must be done through GMU. Until then, they shouldn't penalize people for not knowing who is or isn't viewed in a negative light.

Several years ago FCPS met with the Northern Virginia Association of Clinical Psychologists, specifically to reiterate the need for integrity of testing.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/558604.page#8981898

I am not a lawyer, but I would guess "If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly" would result in a lawsuit. So they opted to go the professional association path to remind all about integrity of testing.

(And no, I do not know the name of the psychologist that showed up when FCPS AAP staff kept a tally of the WISC results and the name of the psychologist.)

As a poster on the old(er) thread noted -- there was at least one tester who frequently did WISC testing. Just because someone is frequently used does not mean their testing lacks integrity.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/558604.page#8983582

Exactly! They would never name someone for that reason. I am shocked by the scores I see on here. I test 100s of kids a year and it is very rare to see kids in the 130s and above.

But if they won't name individuals because of potential legal ramifications, it's still not fair to unsuspecting parents who use people FCPS has issues with. I needed educational testing done for one of my kids (for concerns about developmental delays, not AAP) and a friend recommended one of the psychologists frequently mentioned on this board. I didn't end up using the psychologist because we figured out what the issue was using our pediatrician, but had I needed the WISC, I would probably have considered that psychologist because of my friend's recommendation. I would not have been trying to game the system, but FCPS would potentially view the scores as invalid. They may not want to have a bad list, but they can say only GMU.

Reading public forum with post by anonymous poster and following their advice! How do you know it is not self advertising?

My recommendation came from a friend. It just turned out to be one of the people frequently mentioned on this board.

What is the probability that your friend got suggestion from here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few years back, there was an FCPS report about AAP that suggested that the school system only use GMU for WISC scores for AAP applications. It seemed like a good way to discourage "score shopping" and to give some more consistency to the weight of the scores submitted.

What ever happened to that proposal?

My child only scored a 130 with Dr. Dahlgren. If we were score shopping, we failed.

[Anonymous]

FCPS needs to explain themselves if they are rejecting kids with 160 NNAT, 138 WISC scores and writing essays. The kids in 2nd grade at our school have been learning math facts up to 50 and is hardly accelerated.

[Anonymous]

My son got a 125 with her. We failed too. I never used it because he had a 140 on CogAT and got in but my point is, my son's IQ wasn't inflated in the least. But for the CogAT he may not have gotten in with a 125 WISC and are AART said as much. She told us 125 was not high enough. We had the WISC done after the NNAT but before we got the scores for CogAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here

No one called today too
We will wait till tomorrow and then may visit aap office, not sure what to do next

I think the answer is... you do nothing. Try and apply again next year if you want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do they actually give perfect scores on the neat?

That alone makes me doubtful.

What's so difficult to get? Some kid gets all the answers asked correct...
I would be shocked if you couldn't get a perfect score.
What happens when you get all the answers right? Still not perfect?

Yes.

Even if you get all the answers correct you still may not get a perfect score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS needs to explain themselves if they are rejecting kids with 160 NNAT, 138 WISC scores and writing essays. The kids in 2nd grade at our school have been learning math facts up to 50 and is hardly accelerated.

Or, someone is making up scores and situations on an anonymous message board (the most likely scenario)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
GMU put out two interesting studies (you can use Google scholar to look them up) about children brought in by their parents for WISC testing for the AAP program the average IQ was in the 120s for both studies.

Do you have a link for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly. People ask for WISC recommendations on this board and people have recommended this tester multiple times. The parent then sees that the tester meets the requirements specified by FCPS and uses the tester. Why should the parent/child be penalized for not knowing some secret (if that's the case) FCPS bias against the tester? It would be pretty easy for them to say all testing must be done through GMU. Until then, they shouldn't penalize people for not knowing who is or isn't viewed in a negative light.

Several years ago FCPS met with the Northern Virginia Association of Clinical Psychologists, specifically to reiterate the need for integrity of testing.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/558604.page#8981898

I am not a lawyer, but I would guess "If FCPS has an issue with a specific tester, they should state it publicly" would result in a lawsuit. So they opted to go the professional association path to remind all about integrity of testing.

(And no, I do not know the name of the psychologist that showed up when FCPS AAP staff kept a tally of the WISC results and the name of the psychologist.)

As a poster on the old(er) thread noted -- there was at least one tester who frequently did WISC testing. Just because someone is frequently used does not mean their testing lacks integrity.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/558604.page#8983582

Exactly! They would never name someone for that reason. I am shocked by the scores I see on here. I test 100s of kids a year and it is very rare to see kids in the 130s and above.

But if they won't name individuals because of potential legal ramifications, it's still not fair to unsuspecting parents who use people FCPS has issues with. I needed educational testing done for one of my kids (for concerns about developmental delays, not AAP) and a friend recommended one of the psychologists frequently mentioned on this board. I didn't end up using the psychologist because we figured out what the issue was using our pediatrician, but had I needed the WISC, I would probably have considered that psychologist because of my friend's recommendation. I would not have been trying to game the system, but FCPS would potentially view the scores as invalid. They may not want to have a bad list, but they can say only GMU.

Reading public forum with post by anonymous poster and following their advice! How do you know it is not self advertising?

My recommendation came from a friend. It just turned out to be one of the people frequently mentioned on this board.

What is the probability that your friend got suggestion from here?

She said she got it from her pediatrician. But my point is that people who have no clue there may be an issue can be viewed as trying to game the system by no falut of their own. I feel bad the OP may be caught up in something she may have no clue is eve an issue (if in fact it really is an issue).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they actually give perfect scores on the neat?

That alone makes me doubtful.

What's so difficult to get? Some kid gets all the answers asked correct...
I would be shocked if you couldn't get a perfect score.
What happens when you get all the answers right? Still not perfect?

Yes.

Even if you get all the answers correct you still may not get a perfect score.

One of my kids got a 160 on the NNAT and got one wrong. So, yes, you can get a "perfect score."