Do "believers" only believe because they are conforming? [ATHEISTS ONLY]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this whole "I have a right to state my opinion without your input" thing is way off-base.

A chat forum is about LISTENING to each other. Not about hurling insults and ducking for cover. Good grief.

Better would be a standard of civil discussion, based on, you know, promoting *listening* to each other.
-- Someone may think/believe you're going to hell, but 1. what earthly purpose does it serve to tell a non-believer that?
-- Someone may think 2. faith is "stupid" but be mature enough to withhold that opinion because they know it just shuts down conversation.

Now if the whole purpose of this forum is to shout insults and duck for cover, then it's a waste of time and cyberspace. Unfortunately that seems to be exactly what the unhinged atheist thinks.

1. Fundamentalist Christians believe it's serving the very important purpose of giving non-believers (or non-Christians) a chance to change their beliefs and afford themselves of eternal life by proclaiming Jesus Christ as their savior.

2. Non-believers may have been released from what they consider to be the bondages of faith upon determining for themselves that "faith is stupid" and think that saying so on an anonymous forum may help others wrestling with the inconsistencies of faith to reach the same conclusion.

So it's not so cut and dry. We have a nice concept in the US of respecting others' religious beliefs, but it's really about respecting others' right to have divergent beliefs. We really do think some of the beliefs others hold are weird or wrong. This is understandable given that some religions teach that theirs is the only correct one.

True, some of these posters may have a higher purpose.

But whenever a poster calls something "stupid" or another insult, I know they're not serious and are just trolling.

Would a "reasonable person" (legal test for fiduciaries and others) think they're going to persuade anybody here with bald statements about "you're going to hell" or "religion is stupid"? Of course not. Instead, the adults know to say something like, "I don't have s use for religion because I have never felt the presence of a god." Or whatever. If you sincerely believe religion is stupid, you ar my going to say it in those words if you want to convince anybody. If you're trolling, let's not give you the cover of calling it your "opinion."

I don't know that such a person is just trolling -- I think they may be feeling the freedom of saying what they think in a place where they can't be identified. It may not be nice, but it could be honest. Not everyone cherishes their religious beliefs. Some are starting to think they may be stupid and are on the cusp of leaving them behind. Hearing someone say it outright could be very helpful in that case.

As for christians who say you're going to hell for not believing in Christ, they think they are doing you a favor - giving you a chance to be saved from hell simply by believing in Christ. They did it and want others to benefit too. It's what missionary work is all about. You may see it as harassment, but they see it as giving you a wonderful opportunity that would be stupid to pass up.

So what is considered stupid is very belief-based. Seems like if we truly respect other's beliefs, we'll respect their right to call ours stupid, especially anonymously online where it's not personal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Diplomatic atheist here. I'm still not convinced unhinged atheist is an atheist. They were giving me an inordinately hard time about my positions as well. I think they are generally extremely contrary.

Remember Josh Duggar was a super conservative Christian in real life and a cheating womanizer online. Anonymous online forums bring out the worst in people. That poster seems very unhappy and their primary goal appears to be trying to push people's buttons.

Not saying they AREN'T am atheist of course, but they appear to be arguing both sides of the fence depending on their adversary.

Weird that you would call yourself "diplomatic atheist" when you insult another poster by calling him "unhinged." Basically you're just another anonymous asshole on the internet, part of the problem not the solution.

And who cares about Josh Duggar? He's not posting here, is he? Is this supposed to be your sly effort to link theists who post here to Josh Duggar?

Please stop and get yourself a brain before your next post.

[Anonymous]

^^ maybe you should take your own advice crazy poster and ignore posts you don't like. By your own definition it seems you're allotting to being 12 years old

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diplomatic atheist here. I'm still not convinced unhinged atheist is an atheist. They were giving me an inordinately hard time about my positions as well. I think they are generally extremely contrary.

Remember Josh Duggar was a super conservative Christian in real life and a cheating womanizer online. Anonymous online forums bring out the worst in people. That poster seems very unhappy and their primary goal appears to be trying to push people's buttons.

Not saying they AREN'T am atheist of course, but they appear to be arguing both sides of the fence depending on their adversary.

I think unhinged atheist is the atheist who has a short temper and is extremely immature; there's certainly an atheist like this here, although I notice that in the past day or two (only recently) she's been lying low, probably because the moderator is checking out users and usernames for this forum. I'm fairly certain this is also Groundhog, who is a bigoted, extremely abusive troll who is under the unhinged delusion that posters have a Fatal Attraction-like obsession with her. But without usernames I can't make a positive ID.

Whoever it is, and whatever her belief, she loves to argue, that's for sure. Whether it's by insults, or twisting your logic, or straight-up lies, she uses all the tricks in order to fan the flames and keep the anger going.

Usernames would help! In fact, this is the poster I'd most like to see exposed and discredited for the serial troll, sleazeball and nutcase she is (that's my "opinion"). I know Evangelical poster when I see her, because her tone and message are objectionable but consistent and straight-forward. Unhinged Atheist is a shape-shifter.

could be that person cited above would simply disappear from the board if exposure were forced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ maybe you should take your own advice crazy poster and ignore posts you don't like. By your own definition it seems you're allotting to being 12 years old

LOL learn to read. I said that if someone doesn't like what some one else posts, they have the choice to ignore it or respond to it. Also calling me "crazy" means you are part of the problem, not the solution. Stop with the name calling already.

[Anonymous]

I think unhinged atheist is the atheist who has a short temper and is extremely immature; there's certainly an atheist like this here, although I notice that in the past day or two (only recently) she's been lying low, probably because the moderator is checking out users and usernames for this forum. I'm fairly certain this is also Groundhog, who is a bigoted, extremely abusive troll who is under the unhinged delusion that posters have a Fatal Attraction-like obsession with her. But without usernames I can't make a positive ID.

Whoever it is, and whatever her belief, she loves to argue, that's for sure. Whether it's by insults, or twisting your logic, or straight-up lies, she uses all the tricks in order to fan the flames and keep the anger going.

******

Oh goody. Who do you think Unhinged Atheist is going to prom with? Did you see that dress she was wearing? What a slut.

LOL

[Anonymous]

Op here. I'd love usernames to:
- dissuade unhinged "theist" (but not really theist?) from posting so much hate; hopefully he'd be shut down by all non-a-holes
- avoid confusion - there are many posters on here and some people think a collection of posters = "unhinged atheist"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this whole "I have a right to state my opinion without your input" thing is way off-base.

It's not off base and is a very relevant statement if it's said as a response to an argument that one is not entitled to state one's opinion without having the benefit of someone else's opinion first. The statement "I have a right to statement my opinion without your input" is 100% correct, in all contexts. The only reason it needs to ever be said is to remind people like that PP, who was trying to insist the contrary, or yourself, who is in essence defending a false proposition, that it is a fundamental aspect of posting on a message board or other public forum.

Surely you don't believe that you have to wait to hear from everyone and anyone--random anonymous posters, all-- BEFORE stating your opinion on some topic of interest to you? That doesn't even make sense. It's impossible. How could a discussion ever occur if everyone needs to wait for everyone else to speak on a topic, before being able to formulate and state their own opinion on the topic? It's logically impossible.

So the argument that Poster A's opinion lacks validity because he hasn't waited to hear from random Poster B before Poster A forms and states his opinion is patently ridiculous. What it really is is Poster B's assumption that Poster B's opinion is correct, Poster A's is mistaken, and that Poster A is wrong to state Poster A's opinion rather than Poster B's. If Poster A had only shut up and waited for Poster B to speak on the issue, then there's nothing left to be debated, because Poster B must be correct, at least according to Poster B.

One of the PP's taking this absurd position reiterated it on this thread or the other by stating an opinion about some issue (I think his own intentions) and then declaring "It's not up for debate." That's exactly the problem.

People making statements and saying it's not up for debate. That's exactly the supreme irony of THIS thread. "ATHEISTS ONLY." That's not OP's idea of a joke. That's what OP actually believes. OP really does NOT want to hear anyone else's opinion if it disagrees with OP. That's why OP automatically attributes all "venom" posts to what he calls "theists." That's also why he's so upset--he was called out in the other thread for not wanting to let other people state their own opinions without subordinating those opinions to his own. Which as noted, is not logical. And does not really allow for an adequate exchange of ideas. What it is, is an attempt to create an echo chamber.




A chat forum is about LISTENING to each other. Not about hurling insults and ducking for cover. Good grief.

This thread was started as an overt and obvious insult directed by OP towards "theists" whom he view as his "adversary."

Better would be a standard of civil discussion, based on, you know, promoting *listening* to each other.

This statement contradicts your first claim that people don't have the right to state their own opinion without the benefit of someone else's contrary input. You just contradicted yourself. You don't really want to *listen* to someone else who might have an opinion that strongly differs from yours. Your idea of "listening" is other people have to "listen" to you. Same as OP's.


-- Someone may think/believe you're going to hell, but what earthly purpose does it serve to tell a non-believer that?
-- Someone may think faith is "stupid" but be mature enough to withhold that opinion because they know it just shuts down conversation.

So who cares? Are you 12 years old? If someone posts something you don't like, you can respond to it or ignore it. Seriously--when you see a post you don't like from someone, does it reach out and grab you by the throat and force you to respond to it? Are you that desperately in need of a "safe space"?



Now if the whole purpose of this forum is to shout insults and duck for cover, then it's a waste of time and cyberspace. Unfortunately that seems to be exactly what the unhinged atheist thinks.


You just did what you claim to be opposed to, negating whatever you meant to do with your entire post. Calling someone "unhinged" is a deliberate attempt to hurl an insult, which you claimed you are against. It's equivalent to calling them "stupid" or "insane." Just because you have a thesaurus and used "unhinged" instead of "stupid" doesn't change what you did.

PP, YOU, THE OP, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, ARE THE PROBLEM. CHANGE YOUR OWN WAYS FIRST.

Until that poster chooses her own username, "unhinged atheist" seems quite apt for a troll. Do you trolls deserve kid gloves? (BTW I wasn't the first to use the word "unhinged".) I know trolling is in the eye of the beholder, but by any objective standard, any poster who deliberately insults others and transparently twists their words is an"troll." I don't think this point can be argued. So what do you think we owe this particular poster?

[Anonymous]

FWIW the recent barrage of posts is the person that I can't tell if they are atheist or theist but they are definitely an unhappy human trolling the internet

-diplomatic atheist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW the recent barrage of posts is the person that I can't tell if they are atheist or theist but they are definitely an unhappy human trolling the internet

-diplomatic atheist

Definitely comes across as a very unhappy person.

-op

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to 11:07 -- you can sign up for a user name here anytime.

The problem is, the posters with good intentions will do this. Unhinged Atheist won't, and I also suspect her of sock-puppetting herself. Anybody who wants to say something mean and then return under a username with a reasonable persona will just log out, flame someone up, and then log back on.

PP, if you really want to advocate for civility in these threads, why don't you start with yourself and stop using terms like "unhinged atheist"? Also, anyone advocating for user names should not post again until they themselves get one.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up, you're all a bunch of juvenile hypocrites.

Liberal theist here. Ok then.... And what did you say your own username was?

You seem a little threatened by the idea of usernames. Care to share why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diplomatic atheist here. I'm still not convinced unhinged atheist is an atheist. They were giving me an inordinately hard time about my positions as well. I think they are generally extremely contrary.

Remember Josh Duggar was a super conservative Christian in real life and a cheating womanizer online. Anonymous online forums bring out the worst in people. That poster seems very unhappy and their primary goal appears to be trying to push people's buttons.

Not saying they AREN'T am atheist of course, but they appear to be arguing both sides of the fence depending on their adversary.

I think unhinged atheist is the atheist who has a short temper and is extremely immature; there's certainly an atheist like this here, although I notice that in the past day or two (only recently) she's been lying low, probably because the moderator is checking out users and usernames for this forum. I'm fairly certain this is also Groundhog, who is a bigoted, extremely abusive troll who is under the unhinged delusion that posters have a Fatal Attraction-like obsession with her. But without usernames I can't make a positive ID.

Whoever it is, and whatever her belief, she loves to argue, that's for sure. Whether it's by insults, or twisting your logic, or straight-up lies, she uses all the tricks in order to fan the flames and keep the anger going.

Usernames would help! In fact, this is the poster I'd most like to see exposed and discredited for the serial troll, sleazeball and nutcase she is (that's my "opinion"). I know Evangelical poster when I see her, because her tone and message are objectionable but consistent and straight-forward. Unhinged Atheist is a shape-shifter.

could be that person cited above would simply disappear from the board if exposure were forced.

^^^ Liberal theist here. This is my hope, too. If she doesn't leave, then at least we'd know that the user called "Poster X" is unhinged, and not to take her bait.

Agree that the recent barrage of rants is from somebody who's really unhappy and may well be her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Diplomatic atheist here. I'm still not convinced unhinged atheist is an atheist. They were giving me an inordinately hard time about my positions as well. I think they are generally extremely contrary.

Remember Josh Duggar was a super conservative Christian in real life and a cheating womanizer online. Anonymous online forums bring out the worst in people. That poster seems very unhappy and their primary goal appears to be trying to push people's buttons.

Not saying they AREN'T am atheist of course, but they appear to be arguing both sides of the fence depending on their adversary.

I think unhinged atheist is the atheist who has a short temper and is extremely immature; there's certainly an atheist like this here, although I notice that in the past day or two (only recently) she's been lying low, probably because the moderator is checking out users and usernames for this forum. I'm fairly certain this is also Groundhog, who is a bigoted, extremely abusive troll who is under the unhinged delusion that posters have a Fatal Attraction-like obsession with her. But without usernames I can't make a positive ID.

Whoever it is, and whatever her belief, she loves to argue, that's for sure. Whether it's by insults, or twisting your logic, or straight-up lies, she uses all the tricks in order to fan the flames and keep the anger going.

Usernames would help! In fact, this is the poster I'd most like to see exposed and discredited for the serial troll, sleazeball and nutcase she is (that's my "opinion"). I know Evangelical poster when I see her, because her tone and message are objectionable but consistent and straight-forward. Unhinged Atheist is a shape-shifter.

could be that person cited above would simply disappear from the board if exposure were forced.

^^^ Liberal theist here. This is my hope, too. If she doesn't leave, then at least we'd know that the user called "Poster X" is unhinged, and not to take her bait.

Agree that the recent barrage of rants is from somebody who's really unhappy and may well be her.

Liberal theist again. I agree the poster whose unhappy with the Josh Duggar cite could be a theist, but not necessarily. I think anybody who calls religion "stupid" instead of saying "this is why I don't believe" doesn't actually want to have a conversation, because they know it will elicit a bad reaction, and is therefore trolling.

[Anonymous]

^^^ who's, ugh

[Anonymous]

Were there any recent threads posts actually calling religion/believers stupid?

I remember a "nonsense" post - was that it?