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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think this whole "I have a right to state my opinion without your input" thing is way off-base.

[b]It's not off base and is a very relevant statement if it's said as a response to an argument that one is not entitled to state one's opinion without having the benefit of someone else's opinion first.  The statement "I have a right to statement my opinion without your input" is 100% correct, in all contexts.  The only reason it needs to ever be said is to remind people like that PP, who was trying to insist the contrary, or yourself, who is in essence defending a false proposition, that it is a fundamental aspect of posting on a message board or other public forum.

Surely you don't believe that you have to wait to hear from everyone and anyone--random anonymous posters, all-- BEFORE stating your opinion on some topic of interest to you?  That doesn't even make sense.  It's impossible.  How could a discussion ever occur if everyone needs to wait for everyone else to speak on a topic, before being able to formulate and state their own opinion on the topic?  It's logically impossible.

So the argument that Poster A's opinion lacks validity because he hasn't waited to hear from random Poster B before Poster A forms and states his opinion is patently ridiculous.  What it really is is Poster B's assumption that Poster B's opinion is correct, Poster A's is mistaken, and that Poster A is wrong to state Poster A's opinion rather than Poster B's.  If Poster A had only shut up and waited for Poster B to speak on the issue, then there's nothing left to be debated, because Poster B must be correct, at least according to Poster B.

One of the PP's taking this absurd position reiterated it on this thread or the other by stating an opinion about some issue (I think his own intentions) and then declaring "It's not up for debate."  That's exactly the problem.

People making statements and saying it's not up for debate.  That's exactly the supreme irony of THIS thread.  "ATHEISTS ONLY."  That's not OP's idea of a joke.  That's what OP actually believes.  OP really does NOT want to hear anyone else's opinion if it disagrees with OP.  That's why OP automatically attributes all "venom" posts to what he calls "theists."  That's also why he's so upset--he was called out in the other thread for not wanting to let other people state their own opinions without subordinating those opinions to his own.  Which as noted, is not logical.  And does not really allow for an adequate exchange of ideas.  What it is, is an attempt to create an echo chamber.

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A chat forum is about LISTENING to each other. Not about hurling insults and ducking for cover. Good grief.

[b]This thread was started as an overt and obvious insult directed by OP towards "theists" whom he view as his "adversary."[/b]

Better would be a standard of civil discussion, based on, you know, promoting *listening* to each other.

[b]This statement contradicts your first claim that people don't have the right to state their own opinion without the benefit of someone else's contrary input.  You just contradicted yourself.  [i]You[/i] don't really want to *listen* to someone else who might have an opinion that strongly differs from yours.  Your idea of "listening" is other people have to "listen" to you.  Same as OP's.  [/b]

-- Someone may think/believe you're going to hell, but what earthly purpose does it serve to tell a non-believer that?
-- Someone may think faith is "stupid" but be mature enough to withhold that opinion because they know it just shuts down conversation.

[b]So who cares?  Are you 12 years old?  If someone posts something you don't like, you can respond to it or ignore it.  Seriously--when you see a post you don't like from someone, does it reach out and grab you by the throat and force you to respond to it?  Are you that desperately in need of a "safe space"?[/b]

Now if the whole purpose of this forum is to shout insults and duck for cover, then it's a waste of time and cyberspace. Unfortunately that seems to be exactly what the [i][u]unhinged atheist[/u][/i] thinks.

[b]You just did what you claim to be opposed to, negating whatever you meant to do with your entire post.   Calling someone "unhinged" is a deliberate attempt to hurl an insult, which you claimed you are against.  It's equivalent to calling them "stupid" or "insane."  Just because you have a thesaurus and used "unhinged" instead of "stupid" doesn't change what you did.

PP, YOU, THE OP, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, ARE THE PROBLEM.  CHANGE YOUR OWN WAYS FIRST.[/b]

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Until that poster chooses her own username, "unhinged atheist" seems quite apt for a troll. Do you trolls deserve kid gloves? (BTW I wasn't the first to use the word "unhinged".) I know trolling is in the eye of the beholder, but by any objective standard, any poster who deliberately insults others and transparently twists their words is an"troll." I don't think this point can be argued. So what do you think we owe this particular poster?[/quote]

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