What should Israel do with Gaza?
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Anonymous
Doctors in Gaza have reported the vast majority of the 1000 or so Palestinians killed in Gaza since the fighting started in July are of two groups: 1) Children under the age of 5 2) Women Most fatal injuries are of a previously unseen kind: rupured internal organs with no sign of penetration and severe burns of a kind known to be caused by DIME as well as banned sulfur bombs. Isreal claims it's intent is to eradicate the tunnels. How does using DIME in a densely populated area achieve that tactical goal ? The tunnels are used for eapons, but they were primarily built for smuggling commercial goods . If Israel REALLY wants no smuggling tunnels ,then open up the waters off Gaza for fishing, lift the blockade and also relase the funds to pay government salaries( Then they wont need tunnels to smuggle food, medical supplies, consumer goods) Israel is fighting an enemy of its own creation and will continue to do so and they cynically seem to prefer to go on a " killing off spree" every few years to the one action that they could take to end the war: STOP BUILDING MORE SETTLEMENTS. ( but , no, they want expansion, annihilation of the palestinians as a viable people, THEN peace……) The Likud's true motives are revelaed not in their words , but in the " facts on the ground". A people do not use DIME on a civilian population they see as their " fellow man" . This is ethnic cleansing, based on a feeling of ethnic superiority and the world governments are letting it happen, just as they seem to always do. " never again ???" A wall is being built people. Another wall….Gaza is the worlds largest out door prision, polulation : 4 million. Lets have a democracy in Israel : a parliament based on the population numbers, no more walls being built and no more importing people to try to skew the numbers. If we are going to sanction " right of return" for one group then all groups must have their right of return honored. A right cannot be legitimate when it is granted to only people of one religion, one ethnicity. Either " right of return" is a value held by Israel and granted to all or it is not legitimately based . Lets have a real democracy with religious freedom, freedom of association, freedom from discrimination ( and free from harrassment based on your religion/ ethnicity) , lets have a multi-ethnic society in Israel where everyone has equal value as a human being, Jerusalem as an international city of faith for all peoples and lets have the end of Likud and all demogogues. Should have done that 30 years ago. THAT is the only way out. The world is sick of this. |
Anonymous
| YOU are sick of this. Much of the civilized world is sick of Palestinian terrorists.... |
Anonymous
No, they have my sympathy. Sick of the agressor and arrogant bigoted Israel-can-do-no-wrong posters. Sick of hearing how someone who disagrees is an antisemite and holocause supporter But the Palestinians have my sympathy |
Anonymous
| Munich Olympics in 1972. That shows how great Palestinians can be. |
Anonymous
| Hey, let's have that perfect democracy in some of the other Middle Eastern countries too--why stop at the future utopian Palestine? Throw in some equal rights for women while we're at it. And, ultimately, we'll have flourishing Middle Eastern communities where the greatest worries are stroller quality, school pyramids, whether the next subway train has six or eight cars, and changes to the SAT. Or, as an alternative, let's find truly viable alternative energy sources so we don't have to pay any attention to this part of the world as a general matter. |
Anonymous
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Well, Arabs have created that, perhaps you have heard of Dubai ? Why do likud demogogues relish examples of Palestinian failure and want to extrapoloate it to " all arabs.
Why do you need to dehumanize a people ? Its called the cycle of genocide: 1) degarde their humanity ( make them " less than you in eyes of yoru group and wider world 2) Take away their equal rights in their living environment 3) force emigration through hardship 4) build a wall 5) start the killing…. recognize the pattern The world has seen it before … What happened to " never forget" |
Anonymous
| PP, please list for me the democracies in the middle east? |
Anonymous
Haven't you noticed: that is falling awfully flat now when over 1000 women and children have been killed in Gaza by direct military attack When I was 8 the Munich Olympic hostage taking interrupted my cartoon watching and for a long time a Palestinian in my mind was a man with a stocking net cap on his head pacing on a balcony. Then I went to college, read a bit, travelled a bit, lived abroad. I realized a Palestinian is also: 1) Edward Said 2) Dr Michael Debakey ( sp) ( father of Cardiac BiPass surgery) 3) Suri Nesabi 4) Hanan Ashrawi Now when someone says " Palestinian" I think of the image of a toddler , body charred and both legs amputated from an Israeili launched DIME sent into her home. I think on some level you know this is becoming much of the world's perception as well , which is why you are being so defensive. You cant be a butcher and hold onto your self rightousness. There is a word for that : fascism. Israel is destroying itself. |
Anonymous
| Odd, I still think of terrorists killing athletes in Munich and hijacking planes. |
Anonymous
The way you frame the question is already telling: Israel has the power and fortune to make the decision. Poor Palestinians. It would have been a lot more convenient for everybody else if they just drop dead. |
Anonymous
| One vaguely recalls a Dubai golf tournament. But, to repeat: if not for oil, no one would care about this region, even its opulent parts. And that would extend to oil-less Israel too. In all seriousness, I am so sick of this war--the carnage, the tunnels, the constant IDF spinning, the Israel apologists, the Hamas apologists, the canned antisemitic arguments, the fifth rate recitations of history, the fire breathing out of touch Israeli politicians who act like W is still pres... The world needs more sensible moderates like myself. |
Anonymous
| Let's say our recent wave of Latino immigrants (including illegals) got tons of money and weapons from a viable government like Spain. These immigrants start to "settle" in places like Bethesda and Mclean. They force you out of your homes, destroy your schools, block major roads so you cannot go to work, school, the hospital or to get groceries. They make your daily life impossible and oppress you to the point of desperation. Would you fight back? or would you leave and let them take over-This is what the Israeli's are doing. And before you say that historically the land belonged to the Israeli's/Jews-think that historically the USA belonged to Native and South Americans. |
Anonymous
help their cause I am the OP and my question stemmed from the premise that Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel and Israel is reacting to those missiles and what should Israel do about it? But I like your idea, lets reframe the question. What should the Palestinians do to facilitate a 2 state solution (assuming that is what they want?) |
Anonymous
Iran is closer than Israel. Israel is not a western country and does not share the values of the west. |
Anonymous
Who invade who? Are Palistinians have a right to self defense. There are no Palestinian troops in Israel, only Israeli troops in Gaza. The Israelis have had a siege on Gaza for many years that is an act of war. |